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stipplegirl
Posts:10

05/29/2007 9:33 PM Alert 
This was the first stipple I ever did. And I was hooked afterwards. I am normally a pastel and pencil artist, but after I did this one, I found a new love. I still do the others, but this one is just so much more interesting. The original is 11 x 14, and had to be scanned in three pieces and then stitched together. It was done with micron pens, until I can afford rapidographs. Hopefully soon. The original photo was one I found on duble.com. Not sure who took the picture as there is no copyright info on it. My other art pieces can be found at simplybeautifulart.biz This one was done entirely with dots. Three different pen sizes. No straight lines anywhere and it took about 40 hrs from start to finish. Comments welcome!





vikingwife

Posts:910

05/30/2007 6:58 AM Alert 
I LOVE IT!!!!!! Great composition, nice work on the horses and grass. It is sooooo good to see some other stippling work on this site!!!! I love stippling as well. I average one big stippling per year.....I take about 4 months to complete one! I've submitted a few stipllings here. But now I'm trying to learn colored pencil and watercolor. NICE work!!!!

Jess
stipplegirl
Posts:10

05/30/2007 10:57 PM Alert 
Thank you! I was inspired to post it after I saw your stipple of the orchid. It was just beautiful! I've only found a few people online who stipple. One man by the name of Guthrie gave me some advice on how to sell the pictures. He was very nice, great site as well. Are you going to try to incorporate watercolor or colored pencil with stippling? I had some colored line pens, but when I tried them, the dots were so dark, I couldn't really tell a color difference between a blue or brown and a black. I hope when I get the rapidograph pens I can try color again, because they have thirty or so different colors of ink to use with them. Thanks for commenting, I can't wait to see some more of your stipple work in the future.
Michelle
vikingwife

Posts:910

05/31/2007 5:55 AM Alert 
Hi Michelle.....

I've never heard of Rapidograph pens. Who puts them out? I'll have to check into that. My cousin mentioned commissioning me to do a colored stippling for his office. I read that Prismacolor has a new line of fine point tech pens. And I THINK they are inexpensive. I may check those out before my next project.

I have to give some caution on the micron pens....I was using them and I noticed some fading on the portrait that I did of my daughter. I THEN noticed that the Micron pens said NOTHING about antifade. So.....I would recommend Staedtler pigment liners. They work well and cost about the same. I've only used black, so I'm not sure if you can buy them in multiple colors or sizes.

I've been thinking about doing watercolor and stippling together, but haven't tried it yet. I've been so busy lately that I've been working on the same colored pencil picture for the last 3 weeks!

Jess
stipplegirl
Posts:10

05/31/2007 12:35 PM Alert 
Rapidographs are by Koh-I-Noor. I think they're THE stipple pens. Go to Guthrieart.com, he has some beautiful stipple work and suggests them for use. They are expensive though. I just bought a set of 7 pens for $55 on sale. Normal is somewere around $100 for a set. Then you have to buy the different colors of ink and the cleaner, so it gets pretty expensive after all that. Dick Blick has them all on sale though now until the end of July so check them out. I also ordered the Staedtler fineliner pen sets.(20 colors) I had a set of ten, but the colors where so dark when you just dotted them on. I was going to color the horses, but when I dotted on a brown I couldn't tell the difference between it and the black dot. I didn't realize that micron would not fade, but I did notice that when I erased the sketch lines after I had dotted on the ink that the ink looked a little less dark. They do have multiple sizes though, which is good. I can use the really small micron (.20mm) for detail and the larger (.45mm) for fill or larger areas. I might give the liners another go with the color. Maybe all together the brown might not be so black.

I know what you mean about time. It's a pretty picture so far, your colored pencil. The wild flowers? Small to see though. I've been working on the same pastel for about a month now. Almost done. It's the largest piece I've worked on. 24 x 36. It's going to be a bugger to frame. I have kids as well (3) and can only work on it in spurts. I also do portraits for people on my site, so I have to use what time I have for art wisely.

I did check out a website of one woman who combined pencil and stipple. It was pretty, but I just couldn't get it out of my head that it looked roughly like a really good coloring book picture. So, I don't know if the colored pencil would work for me. Also watercolor is such an inconsistantly consistant medium. It would be hard to watercolor a piece and then try to stipple over it. I've never been able to get the hang of it. I'm such a perfectionist, and with watercolor you're allowed to be messy. Messy looking ones are even praised. Mine just look messy period, in a bad way.

Michelle
heatherm

Posts:2120

05/31/2007 7:28 PM Alert 
Your work is excellent.

Heather

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vikingwife

Posts:910

06/01/2007 7:30 AM Alert 
H Michelle....

I checked out the Guthrieart.com website. Great stuff there! His work is just amazing! The picture that I'm now using with my posts is actually a watercolor. It's one of the first ones I did like 10 years ago. (From one of those "how-to" watercolor painting books.)

BOY do I know how you feel!! When a friend of mine first introduced me to watercolor.....I HATED the medium.....and for the exact same reason as you. I too am a terrible perfectionist (I think all stippling artists probably are!) and I immediately got stressed out with the watercolors and gave up. I only decided to try it again because I really wanted to paint, but oils are too messy and smelly to have with the kids around. Although I'm still terrible.....I'm actually having a good time with it this time around. As for the colored pencils.....they're a bit frustrating for me. With stippling, I'm used to creating really fine lines and I'm just not able to achieve such results with the pencils. And it is harder to cover mistakes with the pencils But I must be mellowing out because I'm still enjoying the effort.

Congrats to you for being able to get your stippling done.....with 3KIDS!

Jess
stipplegirl
Posts:10

06/01/2007 5:26 PM Alert 
Thanks Heather, and I agree Jess. I just couldn't get the hang of watercolor, and I couldn't blend using a pencil. I'm used to being able to blend pastels and pencil. I did talk to another stipple artist online. He said that he isn't aware of any other way to incorporate stipple and color, except for some watercolors. I'm still going to figure it out. I saw one girl who stipples using acrylic paint. She dots with black ink, and then stipples on top of it with tiny dots of acrylic color, which is an option I guess.
gene
Posts:1246

06/09/2007 8:51 AM Alert 
There are a couple of very good books out by Claudia Nice who combines ink work with watercolors. She uses Rapidograph pens by Koh-I-Noor. The books are excellent reference books. I got two from NorthLight when I was doing more watercolor work............. Your drawing is just lovely.............Gene
vikingwife

Posts:910

06/09/2007 9:01 AM Alert 
Thanks for the tip Gene.

Jess
stipplegirl
Posts:10

06/09/2007 11:37 AM Alert 
I'll have to look her up. I just got my Rapidograph pens in the mail. I thought I was in over my head as soon as I read the instructions for them. Instructions! For pens! They are a little troublesome for me as a mother who can't ever set aside time to draw. I draw when the kids allow it. So, to have to clean after each use is a bit awkward. But I just make sure I don't put too much ink in at a time. They work beautifully though. I love how they flow. I bought every ink color available for those pens. But I also like the Staedtler fine line pen colors. I figured out a way to combine stipple and color by stippling color in, although you have to put the color in first or a lighter color might pick up the black ink already on the paper. It looks interesting so far, We'll see what it looks like completed. I'll post when I am done. It takes twice as long though, because you are basically doing a whole picture, twice. Stippling the color, then the black over it. I did a tester sheet for the color first, I will post next time I am on line so you guys can see how the colors look. You might be interested in this Jess, since you like the fine liner pens. I'd love to see a floral design done this way. Thanks for the comments!
stipplegirl
Posts:10

06/09/2007 11:52 AM Alert 
Here is the Staedtler fine line colors (10 count) stipple with black stipple overlay. Turns out fairly nice. Also the second one is just stippled color to show how they blend together. The 20 count fine line colors have a few more, including a different green, some blues, pinks, violets, and grays. With the picture I am doing now, the Rapidographs green was too bright, and I needed it for tree tone. So I ended up using the fine liner green. Again, thanks for looking Michelle simplybeautifulart.biz








vikingwife

Posts:910

06/12/2007 8:04 AM Alert 
Thanks for posting this Michelle! Just curious.....did you find the Staedtler color liners in different widths? I wasn't sure if they were available in different sizes. I usually use .1, .3, and .5mm when I'm working. Do the colored ones come in those sizes? I'm curious about the Rapidograph pens. I'll check at the local art supply stores to see if they have them. Typically, I don't like to have a lot of mess to clean up when I'm done working.....so I'm not sure if Rapidographs would be a good fit for me. I've been staying away from pastels for the same reason......although some of the pastel work on this site is so good that it makes me want to run out and buy a set!! Thanks again for taking the time to do these color charts and for posting them

Jess
stipplegirl
Posts:10

06/12/2007 8:14 AM Alert 
I think the fine liner pens only come in .3, but I use, .20, .30, and .45 in the Micron pens. With rapidograph, I tend to use the .25, although it gets much smaller. Those pens are definitely not for someone who has to put them down to run after a child. I have to use them sparingly for that very reason. I know I will have to put them down at some point to go be mediator in a fight, or help a little one go potty, and they stop working if you don't use them in about a minute and you have to dip them in the cleaner to get the ink flowing again. But they flow so beautifully, you might just want to set time aside after everyone goes to bed. Which in my house is about 2a.m. I am a night person, work night shift in a hospital, so now my kids think they are night people as well.
Pastels are messy, but you can always set them down easier to go deal with children. I am thinking about getting some oil pastels, but I am a little afraid to use them because I don't know how they will blend, and I keep imagining trying to draw with lipstick.
Have fun whatever you decide.
Michelle
vikingwife

Posts:910

06/13/2007 7:41 AM Alert 
WOW! Hats off to you for finding the time to work with the kids AND the job! (And I can certainly identify with the mediator and potty thing....that's 75% of my day right there!) I'm a stay-at-home mom for the next coupla years until the kids are both in school full time....and then I'll be working as well. I keep wondering what kind of time I'll have to do artwork when THAT day comes. But if you have found the time.....I have hope

I was told that with regular pastels, you should wear a mask because all the dust gets into the air. I don't want to deal with that mess. I've actually TRIED oil pastels. They were kinda fun. Brilliant colors. I ended up giving them to the kids because as you pointed out.....it WAS like trying to "draw with lipstick". The lack of fine line ability drove me nuts. But it's probably just me. There are people on this site who have been able to achieve beautiful results with both types of pastels. For now.....I'm going to keep trying with the colored pencils and watercolors. I've spent so much on art supplies......my husband will have a fit if I move onto yet ANOTHER new medium But as I said.....I'll definitely check out the Rapidogrph pens before my next stippling. I'd like to get another one done so I can put them up in our town's local art show in December. Are you working on another stippling right now? Or are you taking the well deserved break

Jess
stipplegirl
Posts:10

06/13/2007 4:36 PM Alert 
Me? Take a breather? If I am not doing something I feel like I am wasting my own time. I am working on another stipple, a colored one, but I had to set it aside to some some pencil portraits. I have done three in the last four days, almost done with a fourth and have five more to do. Once those are all out of the way, I can get back to the stipple.

I know what you mean about searching for your true medium. I've probably spent a couple of thousand dollars on mediums. Clay, pencil, CP, watercolor pencil, watercolor, acrylic, pastel, black ink, now stipple, and even computer generated. (the most expensive requiring software and a new computer) Not to mention styles like traditional, anime, and comic book. I still want to try oil pastel and oil paint though. I think I need to try everything to find the ones that are right for me. Who knows, I might be really really good at oil paintings if only I would try them. You know how that goes.

Michelle
vikingwife

Posts:910

06/13/2007 6:29 PM Alert 
I LOVE oil painting. I took a painting class in college and just fell in love with it. But I currently don't have a well ventilated area to paint in (mineral spirits are a pain!) and I don't have any space to put wet paintings aside for drying where the kids won't get into them. But SOMEDAY!!!! I will definitely get back into that. For now, stippling, colored pencil and watercolor are the most convenient.

Jess
Rosie

Posts:302

01/23/2008 6:45 AM Alert 
Michelle, I stumbled across this post from June, I love it.... you said you were working on another at this time frame, I was wondering if it was done...? I'd like to see it.
Rosie

Use the pointy end............
mikec@pols

Posts:888

01/24/2008 5:01 AM Alert 
This is, WOW!
Looks like it took more than 40hrs to me...GREAT work!
Mike

"You either grow or regress...nothing stays the same...." (unknown)
"A man may fall several times in life, but he is not a failure until he says that he was pushed..."




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stipplegirl
Posts:10

01/24/2008 9:17 AM Alert 
Thanks guys, to answer Rosie, I was working on one that would have been my first color, but I happened to take a trip to Tennessee, and took it with me thinking I could finish it, or work on it while I was up there. (You know how that goes.) Didn't ever happen, and then when we got back to Texas, I took it out and discovered that my wonderful children had spilled water all over the tablet it was on, soaking the bottom half of the picture. I was so disheartened, I shoved it to the bottom of the pile I have to work on, and went on with other projects, mostly pastels. I will still start it again, but the vision I had for it has changed, and I think I need to make it a little closer up instead of further away like it was, so in the long run, my kids might have saved me countless hours of something I would have done over anyway. I'll post it when I finally finish it.
Thanks for the look.
If you want to see anything else in my portfolio, you can visit simplybeautifulart.biz.

Michelle
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