artists_logo.gif Artist's Marketplacee
  Your interactive artists' community
Saturday, September 06, 2008 Register | Login
     
 
Artists Network
Subject: Portrait

You are not authorized to post a reply.   
Author Messages
klippie

Posts:1866

05/04/2007 4:43 PM Alert 
Just a quick painting of my sister.

Retha






If at first you dont succeed.........don't ever give up!
Frank
Posts:124

05/04/2007 5:00 PM Alert 
Retha
Just curious - What sw program did you use to paint this? how long does it take you? (how quick ? as you mentioned this a quick painting). It is quite impressive if you can do a piece like this quickly with all the shadowing and highlighted.

Frank
klippie

Posts:1866

05/05/2007 6:51 PM Alert 
Frank,
I use Adobe photoshop.
Yes its quick for me.
 I smudged the background, used Redfield basic relief to do the person, used  historybrush, and adjusted the colours.
art history brush for backround alone and watercolour filter .
Didn't take long. Maybe a half an hour.

Retha

If at first you dont succeed.........don't ever give up!
jang
Posts:68

05/06/2007 5:31 AM Alert 
Retha, you really excel at photo manips! Love the light and the way you've done the background. I know that photo manips take just as much knowledge and sometimes as much time and effort as painting but I don't think the general public or even the artist's community knows this. I don't want to cause a fuss here but I would like to ask you to call your work what it is. When a photo manip is called a painting, everyone assumes that all digital work is done the same way. Since I paint with digital ink, everyone just assumes that I'm manipulating a photo when the truth is that I'm painting in the same way that I would if I were using traditional materials. I'm a little touchy about terminology because my work is not allowed in many art shows or would be lumped with the photographs if it is. Fellow artists have actually told me that it takes no talent to paint digitally - that all I do is click a few computer keys and don't really paint. To me, it's like the difference between an oil painting and a watercolor - both are paintings but the materials and the technique are different. The computer is just another medium - mud can be made and "happy little accidents" can also happen. Sorry to get on my soapbox - as I said, it's a bit of a touchy subject with me. Your work is beautiful in it's own right and I don't have any bias against photo manipulations but all I'm saying is that it's hard to educate the public about the different aspects of digital art if a photo-manipulation is called a painting.

jang
Frank
Posts:124

05/06/2007 7:54 AM Alert 
I am glad you clear this up, Jang, as Retha may have misundertood my question. And I agree if you paint a subject from scratch with a blank screen/canvas (clean slate :-)) then it's painting/drawing no matter what medium you are using (in case of using computer, the sw is now a tool just like a paint brush or a pencil). Photo manipulation is certainly different from this, in my opinion.

I sympathize with you regarding the fact that your works were not allowed in art show (unless you can prove that they are digitally paint? and how do you prove this, just curious). I really am impressed with artists who can paint this way since it needs training on the sw and at the same time you need the same kind of knowledge and ability to paint as traditional artists.

Frank
klippie

Posts:1866

05/06/2007 11:34 PM Alert 
I have not misunderstood your question, and this one is painted using only the photo as base, I did use a lot of painting by hand as you call it I just used the photo as base.

Wikipedia says this about digital painting, it is not my faulty that people think the way they do and callingh my painting something else is not goiing to change the general public opinion. education is.

e-painting [also known as photo-painting; photo-painture; or photogemaelde ]: means

a) an artistic image created from a photograph template, often taken from an artwork originally created in another medium, such as oil, acrylic, watercolour, etc.; or

b) a work of art created electronically (digital painting) from a blank page using a paint software programme without a photographic template

and each e-painting shows a variance to the others in the series, making it unique.

The artist uses a s/w programme (mouse or digital pen)to electronically (digitally) paint over, manipulate, or artistically render by hand a photographic image template or new blank page template to digitally create a work of art that incorporates stylistically the characteristics of a painting that could have been created with other established traditional methods.

The convention determining a true e-painting is: a hand-signed and limited number edition of 00-09 (maximum) giclée prints on canvas issued by the artist (with 00 being the artist's proof) as varying one-off versions. Such individually rendered prints may also be partially overpainted in oil or acrylics or other media to accent aspects. The imposition of constraints is necessary to give artistic unity and definition to a composition and its use.

Photopainting such a creation in a digital mode is an original art form on par with classical art forms of painting and photography. The e-painting represents an original work of art in itself and draws on both artforms photographie and painting and the custom of limited edition prints.

An e-painting may have been derived from or inspired by another original work. There are many classical precedents of variations on a theme or even copies in a different mode and style (Picasso for example in Les Demoiselles d'Avignon)

Digital painting is an emerging artform in which traditional painting techniques such as watercolor, oils, impasto, etc. are applied using digital tools by means of a computer, a digitizing tablet and stylus, and software. Digital painting differs from other forms of digital art and computer-generated art, in particular, in that it does not involve the computer rendering from a model. The artist uses painting techniques to create the digital painting directly on the computer.

The main difference between digital and traditional painting is the non-linear process. That is, an artist can often arrange their painting in layers that can be edited independently. Also, the ability to undo and redo strokes frees the artist from a linear process. But digital painting is limited in how it employs the techniques and study of a traditional painter because of the surface differences and lack of physicality. The digital artist has at their disposal several tools not available to the traditional painter. Some of these include: a virtual palette consisting of millions of colors, almost any size canvas or media, the ability to take back mistakes, erasures, pencils, spray cans, brushes, combs, and a variety of 2D and 3D effect tools. A graphics tablet allows the artist to have very precise hand movement simulating a real pen and drawing surface.

Digital painting thrives mostly in production art. It's most widely used in conceptual design for film, television and video games. Digital painting software such as Corel Painter, Studio Artist, Adobe Photoshop, Jasc Paint Shop Pro, ArtRage, Project Dogwaffle and openCanvas give artists a similar environment to a physical painter: a canvas, painting tools, mixing palettes, and a multitude of color options. There are various types of digital painting, including impressionism, realism, and watercolor.



Retha





If at first you dont succeed.........don't ever give up!
klippie

Posts:1866

05/06/2007 11:35 PM Alert 
Thank you for commenting in any case.

Retha


If at first you dont succeed.........don't ever give up!
Frank
Posts:124

05/07/2007 5:38 PM Alert 
Retha

As I am not knowlegeable of e-painting to the point of ignorance, this is a lesson that I can use to enrich my knowledge of this new way of painting. Thanks for taking time to do that.

Frank
klippie

Posts:1866

05/09/2007 3:36 AM Alert 
It's a pleasure.

Retha

If at first you dont succeed.........don't ever give up!
klippie

Posts:1866

05/09/2007 3:38 AM Alert 
Jang,
In our world of art it does not work to be touchy,
we have to cope with all kinds of remarks.

Retha

If at first you dont succeed.........don't ever give up!
heatherm

Posts:2120

05/09/2007 7:07 AM Alert 
Retha,
This is beautiful. You have caught the rich colors in everything plus the character in her face. I love the bright glowing light on her face and the reflected light in the shadows!

Heather

http://www.heatherartist.com
klippie

Posts:1866

05/09/2007 10:48 AM Alert 
Thanks Heather,

You are so kind.

Retha

If at first you dont succeed.........don't ever give up!
jang
Posts:68

05/10/2007 9:05 AM Alert 
Retha, I agree 100% that it isn't your fault that most people don't know the various aspects of digital art and that education is definitely the key. However, if you call your work a "painting" and I call my work a "painting" how are they ever going to be educated? (I can almost guarantee that most people won't read the Wikipedia definitions.) Since you used a photo as a base, why didn't you call your work a photo-painting or an e-painting or at least explain what you did when you first posted? Explanations when posting go a long way in educating both the public and the art community. As for my "touchiness," I suppose it's a similar reaction to yours when I politely requested that you call your work what it is. If you weren't a little ticked at my request, you wouldn't have gone to all of the trouble of posting the Wikipedia definitions of digital art. I think "touchiness" does have a place in the art world. If artists hadn't been a little touchy about their work and their medium in the past, we wouldn't have anything but oil paintings today. Watercolor was disdained by the art world until a few artists insisted on being able to show it as art in it's own right. Colored pencil has only recently been recognized as a viable art medium and cp artists still have a hard time having their work considered more than "sandbox" art. Ask some cp artists how well received their art is in general then ask if they're happy about it's reception. Most are a little "touchy" about the subject. Just some things to think about. jang
klippie

Posts:1866

05/10/2007 1:56 PM Alert 
Jang,
call it what you like, I call mine what I know it is, since I have just used the lines as a start of the painting, with help of filters, and from there filled in, to me it still is a painting, it is a question of opinion's.
The photo was my own and my reference.
When I explained I shortened the explanation very much.
And no I am not touchy, about it I went to the trouble just to show you and the general public, what the wikipedia calls the different art.
I haven't called your art any name, we all have the right to call it what we want.
If it pleases you call it a manipulation, I call it a painting.
no offence taken.

Retha

If at first you dont succeed.........don't ever give up!
You are not authorized to post a reply.



ActiveForums 3.6