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sandeep.khedkar
Posts:436

06/01/2007 2:25 AM Alert 

Hi

I was approached by a colleague of mine to sell one of my paintings to him. But since I am new to painting, I have no clue as to what should be the price of a painting. Could someone suggest a probable price range in which I could price the paintings?

I am attaching a couple of paintings here for reference.

Thanks.

Sandeep Khedkar









reisafp

Posts:63

06/01/2007 12:03 PM Alert 
Hi, just a couple of questions...what medium is it? what size it? how long did it take you to complete it?

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sandeep.khedkar
Posts:436

06/01/2007 8:19 PM Alert 
Hi

They are Watercolor on Handmade paper. Size is close to 9 x 14 inches. It took me around 4-5 hours to complete one painting.

Thanks.
reisafp

Posts:63

06/02/2007 4:00 PM Alert 
Some people charge by the square inch, some charge by the hour, say $20 per hour. Or you could go to some galleries in your local area and see what work that is comparable is going for. Is your work framed? If not, obviously, you can not charge as much as a framed piece at a gallery. Hope this helps some.

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sandeep.khedkar
Posts:436

06/02/2007 8:57 PM Alert 
Hi. Thank you for your guidance. It is a good way...but I am still confused.
The reason is that being an amateur who has just started painting, putting that rate per hour or rate per square inch is tricky! Also unknown is the skill level compared to what is available around here. Maybe over time I should get that figured out.
Sandeep
darsart
Posts:56

06/07/2007 4:44 PM Alert 

As a fairly new artist, I too struggle with pricing. The business side of being an artist is so different than the creative side.

By the way, your paintings you've displayed are very nice, love the contrast of color, and look forward to seeing more of your work posted on the watercolor forum. Let me know how the sale goes.

Darlene

bjdavey

Posts:37

06/09/2007 4:07 PM Alert 

If you are struggling with pricing, you probably have other nagging questions. I suggest reading Joanne Berkow's book, What They Didn't Teach You in Art School. She is a very successful artist, gallerist and also operates a giclee atelier. She offers a whole chapter on pricing, which was succinctly summarized by reisafp. Joanne's book is only available from her Web site: www.jbberkow.com. At $20 plus shipping, it's well worth the price.

Joanne discusses the methods of time or per sq. in. What you have to decide is what each of those is worth to you and what you want to make from the effort. The point is to decide a method and then be consistent in how you apply it. The suggestion of finding prices in local galleries is good. You can also look in the many online sites selling works of self-represented artists for a broader look.

As an amateur, it is understandable that you are anxious about pricing. However, if you want your work to be out in the world beyond your family and friends, you have to deal with the business issues. They will never go away.

I also strongly suggest reading on negotiation. It is part of the business for any artist and just having a modicum of improved skill in negotiating can help you make and keep more money from every aspect of your artist career. Whether dealing with art shows, magazines, landlords, printers, publicists, galleries, dealers, collectors and others, you end up in negotiation. Understanding the process and how to proceed in it is as invaluable as being able to paint things people want to buy when it comes to your career, even amateur career as an artist. You can find some recommended books on negotiation on the Good Reading link on my site at: http://barneydavey.com/books.html.

Finally, aim to price competitively with confidence. Even as a newly emerging artist, if you portray a sense of confidence in your skill, your vision and your pricing, it conveys to galleries and buyers. Confidence and poise are enormously attractive values to possess. They are for most people learned skills. Being first aware allows you to observe your behavior and change it for the better. Conversely, being either cocky and overpriced or too humble and underpriced sends a negative image to those you seek to impress. Best wishes for success with your art!


Reality is an illusion, albeit a persistent one - Albert Einstein
sandeep.khedkar
Posts:436

06/09/2007 8:41 PM Alert 
Hi Darlene, bjdavey

Thanks a lot for your guidance. The creative side and the business side though vastly different, seem to be the two sides of the same coin. And if one is present, the other has to be picked up.

It really helps to have such good tips from artists like you who have been through this process earlier. I am sure these tips would be very helpful to any artist who has just started to paint and people have evinced interest in buying their art. Thanks once again!

Sandeep
claudiamah
Posts:86

06/11/2007 5:01 PM Alert 
Once you set a price, don't forget that galleries add commission percentages on. Dealing with more than one gallery, may also involve different commission rates. If you have prints to sell, the final price for the same print, should be the same at each gallery. It gets confusing, so remember that a "reasonable price" may be charge if you are selling privately, but that reasonable price becomes inflated once consigned to a gallery. By the way, the painting are very nice. Claudia
sandeep.khedkar
Posts:436

06/12/2007 1:39 AM Alert 
Thanks for your appreciation and comments.

Regarding the galleries, in case two galleries are involved, does it imply that even if the galleries have different commission rates, the final price of the paintings should remain the same (implying that what the artist would get in each situation would vary?).

Suppose a painting is displayed in a gallery, and the artist happens to sell the painting outside of the gallery, does that require a commision to be paid to the gallery? (It should not be that way, but looking at the complexity of doing business with a gallery, I cannot resist this question.

Sandeep
bjdavey

Posts:37

06/13/2007 12:06 AM Alert 

Having representation by more than one gallery is never a problem. Having inconsistent pricing is always a problem. Set fair competitive prices and stick to it. If you have an arrangement with a gallery, you should both be clear on what you are doing to sell art, especiailly prints, outside the gallery. You do not want to compete with your gallery, and you certainly don't want to undermine the credibility of the gallery or your pricing by offering the work cheaper when you sell it yourself. The work is worth what it's worth regardless of who sells it or where it is sold.

Depending on your contract with the gallery, you may need to pay them. Most likely not unless it is somehow directly involved in the sale. Doing some reading on the subject will help you understand. Many of the best art business books cover the artist-gallery relationship in detail.

Having good relations with your gallery and showing respect for their business model will serve you well. Gallery owners get rightly miffed when they spend the money to publicize and promote an artist only to have the artist sell under them or compete directly with them. With the proliferation of Internet sites for self-represented artists, it's harder to not compete with brick and mortar galleries. It's one reason why more galleries are selling more originals. They don't have to compete with online sites and cut rates.


Reality is an illusion, albeit a persistent one - Albert Einstein
sandeep.khedkar
Posts:436

06/15/2007 1:10 AM Alert 
Thanks, bjdavey. It seems quite logical that an artist would not want to compete with the gallery. I guess talking to a few galleries about their contracts would help obtain the exact local flavours of the contracts that can exist. The details would have to be worked out with them based on what each one offers to the artist.
lyndaprice1
Posts:5

06/15/2007 12:57 PM Alert 
[Please note: This post has been edited for length.]
--Administrator

Hi Sandeep Khedkar, 

As a newbie on the art scene as well, I have the same problem knowing how to price my art; I wish there were just one clear cut way of gauging how much it is worth without so many variables!  I recently received a newsletter from Robert Genn about pricing art I thought I would share [some of it] with you.  Hope it helps!

Lynda

"Dear Artist,

Like politics and religion, it's perhaps an indelicate subject, but somebody has to talk about it. ...
Artists young and old--particularly those who have the intention of staying in the game--ought to strategize for the big picture and honour their strategy with Biblical tenacity. Here are the Ten Commandments of art pricing:

Thou shalt start out cheap.
Thou shalt publish thy prices.
Thou shalt raise thy prices regularly and a little.
Thou shalt not lower thy prices.
Thou shalt not have one price for Sam and another for Joe.
Thou shalt not price by talent or time taken, but by size.
Thou shalt not easily discount thy prices.
Thou shalt lay control on thy agents and dealers.
Thou shalt deal with those who will honour thee.
Thou shalt end up expensive.

Best regards,

Robert"

PS: "While artists may believe that the marketplace was invented by the devil and remains in his henchman's hands, they have no choice but to carry long spoons and sup there." (Eric Maisel) "He profits most who serves best." (Arthur F. Sheldon) "To everything there is a season." (Ecclesiastes)

Esoterica: My prices change on a set date once a year. (For some inane reason it's April Fools Day) Prices on all available paintings, in galleries and out, advance on that day. I "leak" the new prices a month or two early. These days the leak occurs online. Savvy dealers are quietly spurred to make sales before prices go up. If you happen to be interested in this concept, the price-change page on my own site can be seen at www.robertgenn.com/dealers.html#pl

sandeep.khedkar
Posts:436

06/17/2007 4:29 AM Alert 
Hi Lynda
Its a good snapshot of what to do about pricing. The one main question that still remains is" Price of the painting is: $______????". And that is a question no one can answer but ourselves!
But it helps to know the variables that should be considered.
Sandeep
Egon

Posts:363

06/26/2007 4:29 PM Alert 
Hi everybody - I like the 10 Commandments of art pricing

but I have something to add
Its very difficult to price it when you sell the first time - ( I personaly had big droubles )
Time doesnt matter - the best thing to price is : size x a quality factor for your skills

(but I have a higher price for my faforite paintings too - if I dont want to sell them ;-))

sandeep.khedkar
Posts:436

06/27/2007 12:43 AM Alert 
Looks like one has to start with a basic price range (based on the many factors discussed so far) and then based on the responses fine tune it.
Sandeep
spunkin-z

Posts:59

06/29/2007 1:01 PM Alert 
Also, your paintings' prices should vary based on whether the work is framed or unframed. It is a matter of preference what you would like to make on your painting, or you can ask your colleage what they would offer you and negotiate a price.

I read that one should not "over-price" the paintings if it is a work that you do not want to sell. Display the work, but advertise the price as NFS (not for sale) or negotiable if there is a chance that a high price may change your mind. If you plan to sell your artwork, you should be sure that your selling practices are good, so if there is a price you think is too high and someone is actually expressing interest in paying the amount for a painting you are not willing to sell, you will not disappoint the interested parties and save your reputation as you enter the world of marketing.

I have seen unframed watercolor pieces of this size for about $35 and up if you are indeed wanting an actual number. Again, there is not a set number for the price of artwork. Some factors involved are, quality, time, cost of medium, and of course there is the name of the artist that seems to be a factor in affordable fine art and very expensive fine art.
sandeep.khedkar
Posts:436

07/02/2007 1:26 AM Alert 
Thanks Spunkin-z, for your inputs. I was indeed looking for a "number" to get a feel of what the pricing could possibly be.
Sandeep

Llarian
Posts:44

08/14/2007 12:13 PM Alert 
As a collector, I would want to see a serious artist's work start out moderate, and continue to increase in value. I would be put off by "sales" of work that hasn't moved well, by fluctuating prices based on nothing concrete, and Joe Blow being able to buy a piece for less than I paid for the same size piece last year. Lastly, don't ever ever give work away to friends or associates, because then why should they buy something when they learn they can just wait around for you to get into a generous mood.

Remember, if you price a certain size painting at say $35.00 as I saw above, and you sell them all quickly, then it is time to go up, but not too much. However you can never go down, so pricing yourself too cheap at first can be overlooked more than pricing yourself out of the marketplace. But, once that price schedule is set, I think it needs to be honored and not undercut, or you will lose credibility.

Another thing, many people will attempt to negotiate you down. You have to decide if you will do this privately or not, and if so, you need a bottom line. (If you are in a gallery this negotiating is an absolute no-no) Plus it is very thin ice to tread because if word about these negotiations gets out, as word generally does, everyone will either be looking for a "deal" or will be upset that you are making deals behind the sales booth, when they paid full price. An alternative to selling if you can't bear to part with a piece or you are offered less than the piece is worth is leasing the art to the client for a set period of time. Often this is a good alternative for offices or transient spaces, or people who update their decor frequently, or for people who love nice art but dont have a lot of money. However there are risks involved, and only you can decide if they are worth it to you.
Final thought: To my mind it is better to rework, or even destroy a piece that doesn't quite make it than to let it go cheaper than your normal quality of work sells for, because you have long term credibility to consider, not just today's sale.
sandeep.khedkar
Posts:436

08/15/2007 8:09 AM Alert 
Thanks Llarian for your insight into pricing aof paintings and how to go about it. It definitely helps in improving knowledge on how to go about it.
Sandeep
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