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Subject: Watercolor Palet

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kylep
Posts:9

03/05/2008 7:46 AM Alert 

Hi, Im just getting into watercolor, I have been using Dewernt Inktense pencils for all of my work so far and I would like to go ahead and start working with tube paint.  I would like to have much more vibrant colors and stuff like that. I know that since I am just starting out that I need to just buy some cheeper paints.  I have been looking at Winsor Newtons line.  Another pronouned artist suggested the Winsor Newton Cottman paints, as they are slightly cheeper but retain some quality.  Yes I can mix the paint myself but also think at the same time that I would like the convenience of having colors already available that can be slightly modified vs. doing a lot of work for somthing that might not look right and be used?  I think I would at least like to have 12 to 24 tubes, I know thats a 50% jump.  So with all of that being said, I have a few questions.

1. Would you suggest getting a pre made kit with pre picked paints from the factory, or would you pick the colors and purchase the tubes individualy?

2. If you choose to buy paint by the tube what colors would be essential for starting out on a small budget of about $100 for paint.

3. Buy local or online?

Thanks in advance for all your help

KyleP

bkluver

Posts:2

03/07/2008 12:48 PM Alert 
Honestly, I teach high school art and I would go ahead and spend the money on better quality paints and paper even though you are just starting out. The problem with cheap tools is you will not be happy with the end results. Much better to have a great result even if the work is not great, than to have great work with poor results caused by cheap paint and paper. Then again, you might end up with great work AND great results!

Just start with the basics in paint - I usually start my classes with Red, Yellow, Blue, Black, White, Ochre, and Burnt Umber. You can mix almost every color you would possibly need if you have all of these. There are a variety of each, so you will want to look at the samples and pick those that appeal most and would work best for your plans/ideas for compositions. Over the long run, you will pick and choose according to what you personally like. I have different colors from different brands that I like.

I usually buy Arches 140 lb. paper although Windsor & Newton is okay, too.
FrankLeeding
Posts:11

03/21/2008 6:33 AM Alert 

I agree completely - better to have some decent water
colours in a set for things that you really care about.

Having said that, i often buy the cheap art sets they
have for school children just to see what i can do.

Also, you might want to look into using inks as well.
There are some called "water-proof" that are nice.

And of course then there are opaque guache paints
as well. I prefer the small tubes of colour and
since i do a lot of nature work end up buying the
larger sizes of green, yellow, brown, and blue.

As for paper, i use Canson Stonehinge (since i'm
a printmaker and almost always have it on hand).
It's not much of a real watercolour paper but i
like it's texture when i do washes and such.
A friend of mine def swears by Winsor-Newton
and when i can afford it i love it as well.

If you are lucky enough to live near an art store
(notoriously expensive since they don't really get
that much trade). Go in and make friends and ask
lots of questions - always best if one of the
clerks is actually an art student or artist.

And then when you get a "bit ahead" budget-wise
order thru the mail. The ads you see on this site
are great  (Jerry's Artarma and Dick Blick, also
Daniel Smith, etc).  Shop and compare since they
will have sales. Nice to get on their mailing lists.

Also, almost all have some "free postage" deals;
eg, Daniel Smith if the order is over $200. Like
i sed, you have to squirrel away the money because
the postage can kill you. I ordered $20 dollars
worth of litho crayons from Dick Blick for a
W/S (work/shop) that i was taking and the rush
delivery was twice that much.

-- share and enjoy,
frank.   http://art-squeek.angelfire.com

floryd
Posts:3

04/05/2008 1:17 PM Alert 
I have been teaching watercolor (beginners through advanced for over 15 years) and I have my students start out with six colors that can make just about every color on the color wheel.  Suggestions: 3 warm primary colors: Cadmium Red, Cadmium Yellow and Ultramarine Blue.  3 cool primary colors:  Permanent Rose, Lemon Yellow and Phthalo Blue.  Later you may want to introduce some more blues to your pallet: Cobalt Blue and Cerulean Blue.  Using a limited pallet is wise for a beginner as well as for a seasoned painter.  Mixing is easy to get the right color combinations.  Mixing opposite temperatures will produce neutral or gray hues; mixing colors of same temperature will produce more pure or intense hues.  The best violets are mixed from Ultramarine Blue and Permanent Rose (contrary to what I just posted about the temperatures) only because Ultramarine Blue carries a bit of red in the color.

I order my paints online from Cheap Joes, Jerry's Catalog, or ASW....you can compare prices, grade and tube size.  Student grade paints (Cotman and Academy) are OK to play with but will not produce the vivid colors you are after.  However, good watercolor paper is much more essential to have.  Buy at least a 140# all cotton/rag paper, cold press 100% acid free paper.  If it doesn't state "cotton or rag", don't buy it!  Arches, Fabriano, Lanaquarelle, Windsor & Newton (not Cotman), Waterford are a few to choose from.

Brushes can also be expensive, but again, browse through the catalogs and you'll find affordable prices.  A 1" Flat  and a #6, #7 or #8 Round nylon or nylon blend watercolor brushes are all you need to begin with.  Add a 1-1/2" or 2" Wash brush later when you do larger paintings.  Stay away from tiny brushes, craft brushes, and raggety old brushes!

Find a good teacher(s) in your area and learn as much as you can.  North Light Book Club has wonderful art books for every subject immaginable.  Good Luck.
Lung Tom
Posts:143

04/27/2008 7:06 PM Alert 

I'd suggest not using black at all.   I'd use Paynes Gray.  Forget white -- use the white of the paper.  If you plan to sell don't use Cotman use professional pigments.


Lung Tom
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