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Charlotte
Posts:4

02/02/2008 5:00 AM Alert 

Hi,  I've been a member for a while now, but this is the first time I'm posting.  I need to ask for help in making a decision.  I've been painting in oil for a few years now, but don't paint in my home.  I go to art classes in order to do so.   I would like to set up a room or small studio in my home, but I'm worried about the smell from the paint, turp., etc.   The only place that I could use, would be an upstairs bedroom.  The problem is that all the rooms are very close to one another.  If I paint in one  of those rooms the paint etc.  smell will permeate through the whole upstairs.   Someone suggested that I get  an air purifier or some sort of air filter that artists use to clean the air. They are supposed to work well for pastel dust as well.  Problem is I don't know of anyone who has one and if they really work, and work well.  I don't want to buy one and find that it's not  worth having, because it doesn't do the job.  There are several different companies that make air purifiers, but I don't know if any of these are made to handle the toxins from artist supplies.  Does someone have such a unit and do they work well?  I would also appreciate if anyone has any other suggestions that I might use.

Thanks Charlotte  

Cagg
Posts:0

02/02/2008 5:29 AM Alert 
I would use mineral spirits (odorless paint thinner) rather than turpentine, and put an exhaust fan in your window. If the odors remain a problem, think about switching to acrylics, it beats having to leave the house to paint!
Ajam
Posts:24

02/14/2008 9:56 PM Alert 
I too have limited space. I use oderless paint thinner rather than turpentine. I paints in the utility room off the garage. I use a fan and open the garage door a bit. My table is a door with a 2 drawer filing cabinet under each end, which I use for storage. I store canvas & picture frames underneath.

I moved the guest room around. I moved the guest bed over against l wall. I set up another table opposite side of the room with a room divider. I paint here with my mixable oils and watercolor paints as it is across from the other bedrooms.

This keeps the oil paint turpentine smell out of the house. This requires a set of brushes in each rm.
I put a plastic walkway down in the guest rm to save the carpet.
I hope this helps
Ajam
Wy Guy
Posts:6

02/15/2008 10:47 AM Alert 
Hi Charlotte: Another option is to use water soluble oils. No problem with smell or fans/purifiers. Regards, Jim
culmbc
Posts:4

03/14/2008 4:45 PM Alert 
I have been painting with oils for many years. I was very bothered by the smell (allergies) so I switched to water soluable oils like Max 2 and have never been bothered again.
Charlotte
Posts:4

03/17/2008 2:10 AM Alert 
I would like to thank everyone for trying to help, but my problem is not allergies. I also prefer to use oil paints rather than other mediums. My problem is, not having the right place to paint. I have a two story home with all the bedrooms upstairs, with a long narrow hall between them. If I use one of the bedrooms to paint in the smell of the paint and turp will smell up the whole upstairs. I don't think it's healthy to sleep with that odor. If I go downstairs to paint, it would have to be in my kitchen since the rest of the downstairs living space is carpeted and full of furniture. I have heard that you shouldn't eat while painting , that you could get cancer from some of the hazardous stuff in the paint and turp. If that's the case why would I want to be painting where my food is stored and prepared. That was why I was asking about a fan or a purifier. If I could paint in one of the rooms upstairs, but filter our the hazardous fumes, that would be the answer. I just don't know if there is some kind of machinery that could do that. I thought maybe someone on this forum had the same problem, had solved it, and could tell me how they did it. Maybe I'm being to paranoid, and shouldn't worry about it. I'm still looking for advice. Thanks, Charlotte
FrankLeeding
Posts:11

03/21/2008 6:10 AM Alert 

The fumes are def not good for you - esp the solvents.

The air purifier won't really help (except for dust).

One thing to consider is closing off the air vent to the
room and puting in a fan in the window blowing OUTWARD.
This would draw air in from the rest of the house.

You will have to make sure that if other windows in
the house are open that the fumes don't go in there
on days when it's windy outside. You can shut the
window most of the way when you're not in there
and run the fan pretty much all the time. (I've
done this for years, living in apartments with
the livng room being my "studio" - large painting
tarp covering the entire room).

Drying paint isn't especially toxic but the solvents
are notrious for giving you the "flashing black spots"
before your eyes. You shouldn't sleep in the room
where the paintings are drying. Once they're dry
they're about 100x safer. Again, the real danger
is long term - almost every artist has gotten some
sort of nerve damage over a period of 30 to 40 years;
eg, Titan, Degas, and especially Eva Hesse (she used
to sleep in the room where her art work was).

Also, if you are sensitive to the paints (or even if
not) using latex or other plastic gloves over your
hands is a good idea - cloth gardening gloves won't
work at all. When you wash up, you should use a lot
of a good degreasing dish soap (like Dawn Ultra) you
don't need to worry about all of that "kills germs"
stuff - the paint will do that (mostly). Dry your
hands with paper towels and dispose of them as well.

The paints are actually not really anything but
minerals ground up and disolved in a medium (usually
linseed oil, etc). Cadmium, Barium and Lead are
the most toxic and are all absorbed thru the skin
to some extent. Again it's a long-term accumulation
problem more than anything else.

Also, don't wash your brushes
out in the sink as it will eventually *guaranteed*
stop it up. Wipe the brushes as much as possible
thru a rag or paper towel - alternatively you can
just leave them soaking in solvent (provided it
doesn't get spilled). When removing the excess
paint from brushes, wrap the towel around them
and draw the brush thru so that the handle is
pulled out first and the tip of the brush last
- to avoid damaging the brush.

Finally, when you have the painting dry, if you are
doing any scraping of the paint - the dust is very
toxic. I used to do a lot of scraping (mainly after
studying Arshile Gorky's works) and always wore a
dust mask and was realy paranoid about laundering
my pants and shirt afterwards.

I'm not trying to scare you, but almost all of these
materials *are* toxic, and over the long term can
cause quite a few health problems. Breathing the
oil smells themselves is def one of the best features
of oil painting and not much trouble if you're careful.

A good book to look for is Ralph Mayer's artist's
handbook and there are specific books on "safe"
painting. Ideally you shouldn't eat in the room
where you paint - but we all do it anyway; go figure.

enjoy painting at its finest,
-- Frank.  (btw, i work mostly in acrylics unless
i get a pre-paid commission; rare for my style)

 

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