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jason
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| 12/08/2007 10:23 PM |
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| Hi- I would like some advise from anyone using Wallis museum grade paper for painting a pastel painting. I just painted a snow scene on Wallis paper because I heard it holds layers of pastels paints. However, I found that while it worked well with pencil patsel and very soft pastel like Sennelier, it did not work well with semi hard pastels like Rembrandt. I also did not find that the Wallis paper helds layers of pastels maybe a drop better than paper. Maybe I am not using it properly? Any suggestions. |
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Jason Alster MSc
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bluiiz
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| 12/10/2007 6:27 PM |
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| Hi Jason, I guess that I can just tell you how I feel. I have used regular paper and found that its good for one of two layers of color... the sanded papers are nice because you can layer color several times and make a painting that looks more like the traditional oils or acrylics... then why not use oils or acrylics you might ask... well to me I have much more control with pastels then I do with the others (brushes and paints) but if I layer pastels I feel like I am creating more of a "painting" then a "drawing".... also I find that the colors of pastels stay separate better and the colors stay more vivid... as far as paper I like Wallis grey better than white, but I also like to use a deeper tooth sometimes like la carte... if you go to Dakota or one of the other websites you might be able to try a sampler or two and from that find the one you like... some papers you can wet with turpenoid and make an underpainting to make sure the paper doesn't show through...some you cannot wet... I usually use the hard pastels for lines (edges) and large areas (then blend) to cover the paper then I use the softer ones for top color, but if your preference is hard pastels then the regular paper is probably good enough... anyway that's my rambling thoughts on the subject, best of luck |
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jason
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| 12/12/2007 12:13 AM |
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| Anna- thanks. Is there a pastel brand that you find works better with the Wallis papers? |
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Jason Alster MSc
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bluiiz
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| 12/12/2007 5:38 PM |
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| I must say that I use them all... but my new favorite is ludwig's... they have a dark dark purple that looks black on the paper that is soooo rich, but they are for the most part either a dark to set a highlite off, or a final pop color, I love diane townsend for her flourescent colors, and schmincke for its softness...gotta say also love the sennelier for assortment of color, as you can see I am quite addicted LOL |
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jason
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| 12/15/2007 6:54 PM |
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| I just tried painting on the Sennelier Card / board. I like it's tooth and choice of colors. However, you can't erase with it. The tooth rubs off or becomes shinny. I would not suggest this card for beginners. I guess you can not paint over a mistake. Because of the toothiness , I find that with Wallis and Selnnelier board- it is hard to draw a fine line even with pastel pencil. I found out that Wallis is good if you want to have a water color wash under your pastel, however, you may not wet the Sennelier board. Also for toothy papre I found that it is harder to use a finger blending technique which I am use too. This is my own experience and am not sure what others have to say about it. Has any one else used the Sennelier board. If yes, I would like to hear how they like it? |
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Jason Alster MSc
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mikec@pols
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| 12/18/2007 9:28 AM |
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Hey Jason,
I haven't used either papers that you mention, but I have used Canson MiTientes and I love it! It has two sides that have different 'tooth' on them. So, if you want to do a piece with lots of layers you have a rough tooth. You want a detailed 'fine' painting, you have a smooth tooth. It holds up very well and comes in several colors!
For board I use the Ampersand Pastelbord. It has a sanded tooth and works well. I have also used the paint on sanded tooth primers, and I like those too. Mainly because you can tint them and you can put them on ANY support that you choose.
...just my two cents!
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"You either grow or regress...nothing stays the same...." (unknown)
"A man may fall several times in life, but he is not a failure until he says that he was pushed..."
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1Painter42
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| 12/29/2007 2:33 PM |
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| I myself have been using Canson MiTientes, but I don't think I put as many layers as some other pastelists do. I just bought myself a sampling of different papers to try, but haven't delved inot them yet. I've also used rough and cold pressed watercolor paper, and canvas board while mixing with watercolors, but I didn't do a lot of erasing with them, so I don't know how they hold up to that. |
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Justine
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jason
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| 01/03/2008 10:35 PM |
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 Happy New Year to all. Some of my best paintings have been done on Canson MiTientes . It is not suppose to absorb as many layers as the new papers. However, I think that if you are a minimalist painter or believe that in pastels less is more than why do you need so many layers of paint. After trying the new papers , I am returning to the older ones. I guess there are now at least two schools to pastels. The new school likes mixed media, soft pastels, and allot of layering. However, although these paintings are beautiful- they look contrived to me and seem to have lost the natural spontaneous look the older school of pastels have. Yes they win awards - but are they pastels? |
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Jason Alster MSc
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mikec@pols
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| 01/04/2008 6:59 AM |
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Jason,
I whole heartedly agree, pastels are pastels...no other medium should be used with them and called a pastel painting! That is why there is a category of mixed media in most shows.
I do use a lot of layers in my pastel paintings, but nothing else. I even limit the use of fixative because it affects colors. Canson holds up well for me, even with several layers. Hard, scrubbing type of erasing is what causes most problems on all papers, so I avoid that at all costs. Canson seems to hold all I can put on it with minimal 'realease'.
I say pastel paintings are done in pastels...NOTHING else, they shouldn't qualify as pastel paintings otherwise!!!!!!
Mike
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"You either grow or regress...nothing stays the same...." (unknown)
"A man may fall several times in life, but he is not a failure until he says that he was pushed..."
www.portraitsoflifestudio.com |
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jason
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| 01/05/2008 8:15 AM |
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| Thanks for your input Mike. On this note, I must recomend a new book on pastels I just read. Landscapes In Pastel by Paul Hardy ( search press) . The English artist evidently was not influenced by the new papers and paints in pastels the OLD way . He gets beautiful pastels scenes with just limited lawers of strokes and light blending by the palm of his hand ( without gloves) that are juxtaposed next to each other. Looking at these paintings - they look like the way pastel paintings use to look. However, when one looks at an Albert Handel painting- really an amazing artist- he uses water color under painting with very soft pastels . I think there is also mixing of the pastel with alcohol which in the end gives an oil painting , smooth and buttery look. He is a great pastel artist, but really it is mixed media. If one compares the Paul Hardy paintings to the Albert Handel ones, you will see what I mean. Again- it is all beautiful art- but I think when pastel painters are becoming too technical - you lose some of the fun of painting by hand and fingers with pastels. |
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Jason Alster MSc
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mariart
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| 01/07/2008 7:30 PM |
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| just thought id add my two bobs worth. Ive been using a paper called Colourfix by Art Spectrum. Its a sanded surface that is nice and even for detailed work on a moisture tolerant paper. I also like to tint my grounds so that i have different areas of colours as a ground with some areas left white for highlights so like to apply my own ground. The colourfix comes in containers from clear which I use to mix my different colours to a range of colours. I apply it to watercolour papers which then enables me to use water with the pastels. Its pretty tough and can take a bit of abuse, you can also apply some fresh colourfix to areas that have worn down through mistakes. I find the mi tiente doesnt take the colourfix primer too well as its a bit thin and tends to buckle. I have used mi tiente extensively and really like it, but when going up in size , sometimes to 2m it tends to buckle with high moisture atmospheres so primed watercolour is a better choice. |
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