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Raech
Posts:55

05/04/2007 8:26 PM Alert 

Hi Everyone! I paint in acrylics and use thin layers of paint, often adding quite a bit of water to my paint. Some fellow artists in my local art club were discussing this techinque and told me that they had read somewhere that adding water to acrylics will cause the paint to break down over time and the painting will not "hold-up" long term. Does anyone know if there is any truth to this?

Raech

JM Artist

Posts:227

05/05/2007 6:04 AM Alert 
It is best to thin acrylics with gel medium because thinning with water only can weaken the paint.
Equal parts gel medium & water should be fine to have a more liquid consistency.
This can be used to create watercolor-like washes in a painting.

There is an extensive variety of products now available for the acrylic painter to aid in the manipulation of the paint's character
Acrylics are pigment suspended in a polymer binder which can be dissolved in water and medium of your chioce before they dry.

Unlike oils, acrylics can also be used on paper because they do not cause decay in natural materials

JM Artist

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heatherm

Posts:2120

05/05/2007 12:49 PM Alert 
OMG. Does this mean that the two miniature oils I did on 140 lb watercolor paper will degrade over a short period of time? I did that because other artists have done it.

Heather

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Enchanted

Posts:16

05/24/2007 6:00 PM Alert 

I don't think that "acrylic gel" is the best thing to use for "thinning" the paint as it comes from the tube or jar. It's perfectly okay to use gel, if that's what your painting style demands.

I prefer using acrylic "medium" or "varnish" - the two terms are interchangable for the most part. That way your mixing in a liquid that is essentially the same consistency as the paint itself - no need to add water. I instruct my students to use the varnish/medium FIRST and to thin with no more than about 50 percent water if they still find their paint needs further thinning.

Thinning with only water will cause the paint film to be weakened, but the good news is that acrylic is very forgiving. I doubt that it will fall off the support once a final varnish is applied when the painting is completed.


Greetings from Land of Enchantment, USA
love2paint
Posts:3

05/29/2007 4:02 PM Alert 
I am taking some lessons on acylric painting. I think it's diffilcut to work with these paints. I'm giving it a chance. If anyone has any tips please pass some over. The paints try to fast and which paper is the best to work with? Thanks.
Love2 paint
Raech
Posts:55

05/29/2007 7:42 PM Alert 
Thanks JM and Enchanted. I have some gel medium that I have tried and it takes some getting used to. I find the paint doesn't get 'thin' enough. I like to glaze with many layers and move the paint around (quite a task as it dries so fast!!)  Maybe I'll try some acrylic medium and see how it goes. If all else fails I guess I could try oils!Raech
Havensloft

Posts:6

05/31/2007 1:05 PM Alert 

Hi Love 2 paint.  I just experimented with applying an acrylic medium gel over my canvas-kind of heavy-then painted as if it was wet on wet and it worked very well for me. 

Barbara

Enchanted

Posts:16

06/04/2007 9:22 AM Alert 

I feel compelled to emphasize that CLEAR ACRYLIC can be purchased in several forms:

1.  As a very watery varnish sold commercially under various brand names. The one I use is made by MINWAX and is labeled "Polycrylic Varnish." Note: it's intended for use as a "varnish" or protective coat but can also be used as a "medium" and mixed with tube/jar colors of acrylic to thin them. It is watery-thin and thinner than the Acrylic Medium, discussed in 2., next.

2. Acrylic Medium - also sold as a final "varnish" - which is sold under the same trade names as the paints and specifically formulated for use in thinning the paint colors. The varnish CAN be used in place of the medium, but usually has other additives that give it properties suited to its use as a final protective coating.

3. Acrylic Gel - a thickening agent intended to ADD BODY to the tube/jar colors, not to be used for "thinning" as is done with mediums or varnishes. It makes little sense to purchase the gel instead of the medium, and then thin the gel to use like a medium, although it's certainly possible to do it that way.

4. Acrylic Molding (Modeling) Paste - even thicker than the gel - and used to build even thicker paint layers than the gel.

While "thinning" usually implies making paint MORE FLUID, all of the above will work to "extend" the usefulness of a dab of color since they are all transparent once they dry - so if "extending the color" is what some people mean by "thinning" then yes, all of the above will give that effect - but with differences in the resulting film thickness once they have dried

 

 

 


Greetings from Land of Enchantment, USA
Kerry
Posts:10

07/01/2007 8:54 AM Alert 
I've always thought of "thinning" as making the paint more translucent maybe even to the point of transparency - as one would do with watercolor. Is this incorrect? I, too, have been wondering about thinning acrylic as I have seen other artists do some wonderful layering by doing this. I'm glad I checked this forum first. I would hate to have ruined a painting by thinning the medium with just water.
Niebrugge

Posts:17

07/31/2007 7:49 PM Alert 
Many years ago I wrote an article that was published in Artist's Magazine titled "The Best of Both Media". You might find this ancient bit of wisdom of some value when experimenting with thinning acrylic. Recently I published the article on my website, just click on this link and you can read it. Let me know if it was helpful to any of you.

Happy painting,

Niebrugge
StillRotraut
Posts:14

09/01/2007 6:58 PM Alert 
Hi - Raech - just joined and saw your question about adding water to acrylic paint. I found a way to get around the fact that thin washes turned out to be unstable when I added subsequent layers of paint. The way to secure a thin wash is to let it dry thoroughly - which does not take long - and then pull a coat of a fairly thin mix of medium and water over it. (You will have to experiment with the ratio as every manufacturers medium is alittle different.) This will encapsulate your thin application and make it safe forever ( Well - I have paintings which are 40 years old and show no signs of deterioration) Good luck!
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