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Subject: how do you make works of quality?

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matthewRose
Posts:4

08/21/2007 1:04 AM Alert 

as an art teacher, i often run into the problem of students who just want to make the grade and finish the course for the semester - not putting any effort into the quality of their work.  i'm curious as to your suggestions for how to pull out the quality works of students as opposed to the pieces they look forward to throwing away.

i realize many here are not "professional public school" teachers, but i regard you as teachers nonetheless.

thanks!


"On his way home, he wondered if it would be shabby of him to eat the de sotos when the job was done." ~ Dr. De Soto
Snowartist

Posts:147

08/23/2007 6:55 AM Alert 
If a student is only in it for the grade, well, that is all you will get out of them. You can't make someone love something , they have to want to do it themselves.

My last teacher was very strict about homework. Even tho it was a painting class, we had 6 hours of homework assignments every week, mostly drawing. We turned in the homework on Monday, and on Wednesday when we came into class, all the homework was posted on the wall. We then had a critique, and I truly believe this helped.
Everyone was supposed to join in on the critique. You had to say something, and that was part of the grade also. Just this one thing, kind of helped me to understand how to look at art. I really started understanding it more. You judged the pieces on perspective, color used, composition, line, etc. No one ever said bad things, just suggestions.
I hope this helps. She is the only art teacher, I truly started understanding art with.
gene
Posts:1207

08/23/2007 8:31 AM Alert 
If they are in it for the grade, then most likely they will want more than a "D". If you are giving a grade higher than a D for poor quality work or for lack of participation, then the fault lies with your grading system. If you are giving a good grade for mere attendance in the class, then you will have to up your standards!!!
Demand more.............don't let the students get away with poor workmanship or attitude. You will then attract students who really want to learn!...............Gene
jason

Posts:107

01/21/2008 9:58 PM Alert 

Hi

Have the students do projects that they are emotionally involved with. There is also a book for students learning art that is simple for increasing creativity. It is called  Creative Painting For The Young Artist.







Jason Alster MSc
http://jasonalster.googlepages.com/creativityandrelaxedconcentration
The Viking

Posts:36

01/25/2008 1:00 PM Alert 
What also could help is to show them some things. tell them that when theyare a artist on there own, they HAVE to make a piece of art that has quality. Or else no one is going to buy it or ask you for a commision piece. And picking a subject for there homework that is closer to home and to wich thet can relate to might help them. Also, demanding more is never wrong, puch there limits, yiou can not tun a marathon without training. I teach as welll and I tell them that I expect a surten degree of quality from them or else they fail. If you do not aim high you can never lower your standards and you will never find out where the llimit is.

http://www.freewebs.com/vikingart13/index.htm
Maggie429

Posts:224

02/21/2008 11:10 AM Alert 
Another suggestion, would be this art network.  Since joining the discussions, and seeing what other artists are doing, producing and trying (different mediums, subjects, types) - I have found myself looking for more time to paint, and getting excited about my next project.  Have the students get into the network  - look around - and I'm sure the ones who want to improve will get more excited by sharing with other artists.

Mgi
www.hoviscreations.com
FrankLeeding
Posts:11

03/21/2008 5:40 AM Alert 

For me personally, the gavlenising moment came when my
art teacher chided me for not taking my own work seriously.
I was sort of joking that it wasn't very good (or like
other people's work) and he just fixe me with THOSE EYES
-- he's the spitting image of "Papa Hemingway" and always
very soft spoken. And he just said, "don't do that. You
should always take pride in your work. You are the only
one that can do what you are doing."

After about 3 courses, i really began to see myself as
an artist.

Personally, i usually (since i'm a bit older in the classes
that i take) tell them "I'm sorry but Picasso is dead.
Mary Cassatt is dead, Pollock, van Gogh -- all dead.
And i haven't been feeling too well lately, either!
It's up to you to do what you need to draw that line
from who you are to your work. No artist starts out
being "great" and in fact all of us who are alive
and still doing art sort of resent the fact that
our work will go up by 10 times when we die. But,
then we're not in it for the money."

This sort of uses peer pressure as well, since it sets
everyone on the same playing field. It's hard for
someone who's just taking an art class for the
required credit or elective, but then you never
know. One day they're a computer science major,
and the next thing their off working on their Masters
at Washington University - true story: Goran Merick.
(but of course it didn't just happen over night)

Another thing is to take the students to the library
and pick out different books for them to look at
-- especially modern artists they probably haven't
heard of (eg, Arshile Gorky, Helen Frankenthaler,
etc). And then have them read and do a short presentation
about the artist's work - naming off the style, methods,
etc. Works wonders when they start to see that art
didn't just begin and end with the Renaisaance.

- hope this helps,
Frank.  http://art-squeek.angelfire.com

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