richard
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| 11/26/2006 9:48 PM |
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| Drawing has to do with perspective and form.
Drawing is the blue print for the form.
Architects prepare blue prints for the buildings they design and from the blue print the
buildings are built.
The masters had to learn how to draw before
they could paint.
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littleliz
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| 11/29/2006 8:01 AM |
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| Hmmmm well that all makes perfect sense. And I usually prefer to draw before I paint. but there are no real hard and fast rules in painting are there. If someone can hold the image of what they want in their head (which i don't do ha ha) do they need to be able to draw at all? I often do lots of squiggly sketches to work out how I want things to go and I also do a preliminary sketch on the actual paper which I will paint on....but that said, it is possible to just go straight in and paint especially if you are doing an open landscape or something. Sometimes I do not draw with a pencil first, but I do kind of draw with the paint LOL. Does that count as drawing or painting? |
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richard
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| 11/30/2006 7:22 PM |
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| Sketching with paint is okay with landscapes
because the primary interest is color.
Many artists paint landscapes that way
including myself. But painting a human
form or a still life is a different kettle of fish.
The artist is dealing with form. Drawing is
essential If the painting is going to be
successful.
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Oilartist
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| 12/02/2006 1:54 PM |
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| Hello all, I am not a professional artist, but only as a hobby. I took the online class THE NEW DRAWING ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF E BRAIN and I must say an excellent class. I agree with Richard, if drawing the human anatomy, then to me it must be perfect prior to being transfered on canvas and painted. On the other hand if landscapes are done or abstracts then I use the medium painted with the sketch. I have only one art class as mentioned above and I am self-taught, please look at my work at http://groups.msn.com/ghassanrached/pictures look for all albums posted as G DERBY. This month is the aniversay of seven years I have been enjoying this muse. |
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Starrpoint
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| 12/02/2006 6:06 PM |
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I think drawing is about really understanding the subject. The ability to draw creates a good foundation for all other art forms.
Unfortunately, as drawing is taught as a beginning course, to many people think it is a lesser art form and forget its importance to art and to civilation. |
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Lola
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| 12/16/2006 11:54 AM |
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Yes, I draw before I paint so i have a better idea if my compositions and prportions are correct. It's also a
must when I paint portraits. |
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Life is a trip, enjoy the ride. |
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Bright
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| 12/16/2006 6:42 PM |
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Drawing gives me confidence, as I draw well and I know my eye is seeing what my brain thinks it is seeing.
The closer you wish to depict reality of the human figure, the better should be your ability to draw and then paint.
If you don't draw, your painting will have rambled somewhere that you may not have expected to go. This might
turn out well for you, but it is not realism.
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Bob Posliff
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| 03/19/2007 1:36 AM |
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Yes. To be able to draw well means one has learned to 'see'. When one has learned to 'see', one has the potential to paint well.
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Rosario
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| 03/19/2007 5:09 AM |
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Hi Guys,
Yes, you have to draw before you paint. I believe drawing is the foundation of all Art. You need to draw before creating a building, a bicycle, a car, a vase, a chair etc. Try explaining an idea about a new invention or sculpture without starting with a sketch. I believe you need to do a sketch for anything you intend to paint no matter how crude or detailed. That depends on the subject. If nothing else, there is composition, proportion and scale to consider. I mean whats the point of not doing a sketch first? You know, a lot is said about how you don't need a drawing if you plan to do a landscape or abstract. I say "foowee". Landscapes and Abstracts are much more difficult than they look and so, require preliminary sketches. Can you do a painting without doing a drawing first? Of course. But why? Some of the loosest and carefree paintings I have seen were carefully planned out first. Even if you do a carefull drawing, say with buildings and boats in it before painting, you may decide to make it a lot more vague depending on how it goes during the process. At least you have the option. I would welcome any comments or ideas on the subject. Thanks for reading.
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vikingwife
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| 03/19/2007 8:19 AM |
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I think you definitely need to have basic drawing skill AND an eye for changes in color values in order to paint well. Looking back at some of the preliminary drawings made by the more famous painters.....they knew how to sketch, they knew how to lay out an interesting composition before they started painting. I could never paint without sketching first. Expecially if using watercolor.....if you're doing a really detailed work, it is impossible (for me anyway) to do WITHOUT a rough sketch underneath. I took drawing and painting classes in college and you couldn't even get into any painting classes until you took Dawing 101! 
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Materese
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| 03/19/2007 8:19 AM |
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| Without a doubt, you need to have to be able to draw to paint. Painting is effectively, drawing with the added complications of colour. Emmanuel just posted "Painting in 3 stages" under the oils section, notice how carefully and simply he laid in the drawing, it makes a world of difference in the final result and makes painting a whole lot easier as you are not wasting time and effort correcting compostion, perspective, etc. Regardless of style or medium it is the "bones" of your work. |
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one who sees
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| 05/04/2007 6:58 PM |
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i am a definetly believer in learning to draw in order to paint better.....there is so much to learn to draw well and paint well....
can one paint if they cant draw? wellll they can get around it a lil....but not learning the basics of perspective, composition, values and contrasts.....its got to be pretty hard to really paint a convincing image without that knowledge.....
but yes landscape are a bit more forgiving....though one has to know how to create depth, or the landscape is also flat....
do you draw on the canvas? nope i dont normally....i do preliminary drawings if its a portrait...until i am satisfied that i know the planes and particulars of the face i am doing...
then i mix up a soupy inky type mix of paint and turp...and ~sketch~ with this mix onto the canvas....
i work out everything...but its generally rather loose..when i feel a bit comfortable...i might even suggest values with this inky mix....it dries quickly but i have enough time to take turp and rag and make corrections to it....refinements....and then i am set to move on to my reg way of painting with oils.... |
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Johanna
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| 05/04/2007 9:08 PM |
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Very interesting. Looks like everyone is in agreement. I agree as well. Drawing is essential to painting.
Sketching prior to painting imbeds the steps iin your mind. Give you a chance to ajust things. It prepare you for the actual event of paint. Like walking before you run. Using charchoal to outline your basics on canvas is great. I like to use charcoal because it wipes of easy and leaves no trace.
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Kathleen
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| 08/11/2007 6:05 PM |
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This is a really an old subject (I am new to this site) but incase any new artists read this, I just want to say that your painting will be better if you can draw but if you cannot draw - do not give up painting. I cannot draw anything but my paintings, (the subjects of which are sea scapes, landscapes, boats, florals, etc, in other words, not abstracts) sell in the $500 range and sell about as fast as I get them out there. Say five at any week end show/festival I enter. If you are able to go to art school, by all means learn to draw, if you are a late starter and just see the world in color, not lines, go ahead and enjoy your gift just as it is.
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IVO
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| 08/20/2007 10:08 PM |
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Hi!
I say yes, drawing is important in painting. Great master Ingres use to say to his students:"on peint comme on dessine" , witch means "you paint like you draw"... |
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andres CT
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| 09/21/2007 12:02 PM |
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As an artist you can do whatever you want. After all you are the most important judge of your work. But having some skills certanly helps and drawing is one of them. It depends what kind of work you do. I think you need at least a basic knowledge about lines, shadows, perspective. It would give you more confidence as well.
Check out my work
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kierkegaard
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| 09/22/2007 9:17 AM |
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Drawing is essential to painting. Sketching prior to painting imbeds the steps iin your mind.
but for gods sake never pencil draw on a canvas. Probably the biggest Faux pas within painting. lines Choke the life out of the poor little painting.
but yeh drawing is a cheap and wonderful practace method, it gets your hands used to making marks. But then again what is a drawing? Theres an interesting artist (which her name illudes me) but one of her pieces was a photograph of breath condensation on a varnished table titled "drawing breath". I thought that was a wonderful way of interpreting drawing. Also if you visit say the Jerwood drawing prize, its alot more than just your bog standard drawing techniques. So I dont really think, that obvious "drawing" talents enable good "painting". Painting is a too broad a subject. |
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DaleZiegler
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| 09/27/2007 6:54 PM |
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| You have to crawl before you walk |
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Starrpoint
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| 09/27/2007 8:10 PM |
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| drawing is the bases of good art. |
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