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Subject: When can you call yourself an artist?

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vapearson1

Posts:39

01/26/2007 6:09 PM Alert 

i didn't vote, but here is my voice.I think that any time you sell a painting ,then you can call your self an artist.who knws bad art from good, may be you and i wouldn't buy it. but to some one else it is art. and i was told the first time you pick up a brush and paint something you cn call your self an artist.

it might not be good art to you or me.but to some one else it is,

that is my opinion. correct me if i am wrong. and i don't call my self and artist. i paint because i love to and if it looks good to me.then that is what i am feeling when i paint,

if i like it i really don't care what others think of it,  but i am open for comments to get better.  and when i am unhappy with a painting i do it over. I am still learning and  have a long way to go.

so would like comments on this ,

vivian

 

vivian

 

Johanna

Posts:220

01/26/2007 9:55 PM Alert 
Hi!!! Very well put and I do agree with you. Your comment reminds me of the movie called Mona Lisa's Smile with Julia Roberts starring it in. Was a movie worth seeing. I feel this subect is like life. ( if I may use that analogy? ) Every perspective is correct in it's own right or place. Yet having the diversity and compatiblity to function as a whole under the same umbrella. I suppose what I am trying to express is there are many many catagories to art . We just have to find the right slot for everything.
The good thing about the topic is that it made us converse and brought all of us a little closer together with one another.
rpartin

Posts:401

01/26/2007 10:21 PM Alert 
Vivian, I would not disagree with one thing you said in your post. But the poll is being conducted to determine how many members feel that a person is considered a professional artist after he or she sells their first piece of artwork.......And you can still cast your vote if you would like.

Ron
heatherm

Posts:2120

01/26/2007 10:25 PM Alert 
Vivian,
If you paint and love it, then you are an artist. If someone plays the piano and loves it they are a pianist. Whether we go public or not, it is a skill that is learned and always developing. Some people have more "talent" than others, but that doesn't make someone with less talent not an artist. There are a lot of people much much better than I am, including on this forum, but I still consider myself an artist. No matter how good we are there is always someone else we think is better.

Heather

http://www.heatherartist.com
vapearson1

Posts:39

01/26/2007 11:39 PM Alert 

Johanna, Ron and Heather, thank you for your response, I have been painting for only 2 years ,learning through Bob Ross. Bill Alexander others being on pbs station, then i bought their tapes and have gone on from there, i really don know a thing about the art world, i just know how i feel when i paint, and nights when i can't sleep i go to my studio and paint all night i bought a used 14x70 mobile home and turned it into my studio. and that is where i am most of the time. some times i have no idea what to paint, but then i start and then it comes .that may sound corny,but that is how it is with me,
hugs to you all
vivian
GOwenStudios

Posts:67

01/27/2007 12:15 AM Alert 
I love to paint. I paint for myself. I paint for the world so the people may enjoy my art. I paint because I have the need to express myself. I paint because it is my passion. Yes, I am an artist. I have sold paintings in the past, and yes, that makes me a professional artist.

Gary

http://www.sitekreator.com/gowenstudios
http://www.zazzle.com/gowenstudios
Johanna

Posts:220

01/27/2007 10:10 AM Alert 

There is an artist in all of us. We just have to let it happen. It is not something that is forced. Like anything else. If you try to force it will rebal. It has to flow threw you and not from you. Whenever I have an inspiration about painting something I try to make a note or a ruff sketch so that I will not loose that thought and that I could go back to it later.
On the other hand. Does anyone ever stop to think how valueable the act of drawing or painting is? Without art it would be a pretty grim world. Engineers need it to design. Designers need it to create. people need it to enjoy and feel good. etc.  Art is in verything that we do and see.  Yet we have to subdivide it into categories so that it works in every espic of life .
Some need to have compitition in there life and others don't and both are okay. There should be a place for both. I am not a competetor yet if I was to enter something in a contest I would feel good that I was good enough to win. It is the not winning that takes more courage.  To make a conclusion of it all. I think it is a matter of perspective and why you do what you do.
When I think of the word proffenional I take it to mean that the person is knowledgible in his/her field. Whatever that field may be. The person has learned all that he needs to know on the subject to be able to handle it profficiently. The word sale or business should not enter into the equation.  A person could be a proffesional yet never have sold a thing in his life. The question should be rephrased to say. When is a person consider to be a proffesional?

All of you are a great bunch. It is a pleasure to be sharing thoughts with all of you.

richard

Posts:596

02/13/2007 12:06 AM Alert 
An artist is one who spends his/her life creating art.
patt

Posts:15

02/13/2007 5:34 PM Alert 

Interesting subject you have going here and not a new one at all. This is an age old  question. I suppose I will try to add my "two cents worth". ( just my opinion of course and not necessarily correct)

I have painted off and on , through family life, rain and storm, all that life entails for  over 30 years. I used to enter competitions, local  State Fair competitions, local art guild competitions,---and all that I could do to see how I rated with others--I suppose. We all need a little validation, don't we? I would get blue ribbons and $10. for first place. This also included painting on anything that others would ask me to paint on, ie. -cars, license plates, barn signs, saw blades, barn doors,---you name it and I did it. Along with this, my "clients"   would want to pay me "a little something for my time". Sometimes I would accept, other times maybe not. I was primarily self-taught and needed the experiance to better myself. I did this for many years ( slow learner,     Let me say here that first and foremost, I love painting and it has been my saviour throught thick and thin. I paint what I love and not what is the big "seller" at the time. Roosters are selling, you say " so be it. That is not WHY I paint but instead I am blessed that I can have a job that I love and can receive pay for it .How lucky can you get.

Now today. I have many years under my "brush", many, many more competitions,more workshops and study under fantastic professional artists and I have read and tried so many things myself to enhance my work. My children have grown and moved on, my hubby , retired and here I am. Painting is my love and I cannot imagine my life without creating.

I am a professional artist. I charge a professionl fee for my commissions. I  no longer enter as many competions ( almost never ). I DO NOT PAINT ON SIGNS AND SAW BLADES. I do not intend to under-rate those things NOW but instead I cannot AFFORD the time it takes to do those when I am working on my work now. In other words, I think that in the past I was a  Professional Crafts Person. I sold some things-----------NOw, I sell more and bigger items.

It comes down to , does it REALLY MATTER?  As long as we are happy and do not offend others, let our conscience be our guide.

Humm--m-m-m-m---- Ok I will sign off now. Enough is enough. Right?

 

 


Patt
www.pattlegg.com
vapearson1

Posts:39

02/13/2007 7:14 PM Alert 
Bravo. well said,
hugs vivian
vikingwife

Posts:851

02/14/2007 10:07 AM Alert 
Nicely put Pat! I think we all consider ourselves to be artists. To me, the term "professional artist" implies someone who has chosen art for their profession. I guess if I sold 10+ pieces of artwork.....I still wouldn't consider myself to be a "professional artist" unless that was my job, my 9-5 , my way to pay the bills. I don't think the term matters much to the general public. It seems to only REALLY matter to people who need the title for business purposes.
patt

Posts:15

02/18/2007 4:17 PM Alert 

Thanks Vivian. I just noticed your response as I had not been here for a couple of days.

I see nearly the same question is being asked "sort of" in the "art on a pedestal" post. I think I will just chime in on the post about "art on a pedestal". 

Keep in touch.


Patt
www.pattlegg.com
Bob Posliff
Posts:3

03/19/2007 12:53 AM Alert 
To Heather
I fully agree that if someone plays the piano and loves it they are a pianist. It should then follow that if someone paints and loves it, they are a painter. Neither is automatically an 'artist'. Anyone in the 'arts' should refer to themselves by what they do, e.g. writer, dancer, sculptor, etc. All have the potential to be an artist but it is ultimately up to public opinion to make that decision. Many in the visual arts are excellent technicians and/or draughtsmen but that doesn't make what they do 'art'. Making a sale simply makes one a professional, not necessarily an 'artist'.
What is art? That which is created by an artist.
What is an artist? One who creates art.
And the beat goes on.
Bob
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