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Subject: painting on black surface--first time!

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iglazier
Posts:82

04/05/2008 10:18 PM Alert 
  Have you ever tried to paint and judge your value on a black surface?  I have read articles in the pastel journal, and have seen beautiful work done this way.  I hope I can figure it out one day!  I tried this little example to get my feet wet, and it sure gave me something to think about!  I believe I have learned something, now to see what!  Thanks for looking.






Ida M. Glazier
1Painter42
Posts:156

04/06/2008 8:08 AM Alert 
I have just started to work on black paper myself, with pan pastels which I just got. Very exciting. I've worked on toned canson mi teines before, but black is a little different isn't it? I think your painting is beautiful - the colors really pop! Great composition with the trees framing the view of the fields, nice. are you going to do some more? Did you see the one I posted a couple of days ago? (in the hood) I am currently working on another in the black paper to post in the "all media paint off" It's small, so I should have it done soon. What size is this painting? What brand and kind of paper did you use?

Justine
www.remingtoncreations.com
iglazier
Posts:82

04/06/2008 2:38 PM Alert 
    Hello Justine, thanks for your comments and interest!   I just looked at yours, In the Hood, and liked it and the colors. The red hood running into the black shadow is very nice.  I don't use Strathmore papers, except for drawing, not expecting it to hold to much pastel.   The Canson is really best, it does hold a surprizenly amount of  pastel.   I will continue trying to use the black surface so I can see what I can do with it, this one was just a jump into it thing to see how colors look, and to judge the values.  This is on Art Spectrum's paper, with their surface, that colorfix stuff.  I think it has marbledust in it  or something.  Its a sanded surface, archival, and I had purchased a sample pack of their cool color surfaces.  There were several in the package.  I love it, especially the grey-green one!  So good for snow in sun-light, at least I thought so. I will practise some more with the canson I have in black, but then I would like to buy more of the art Spectrum in black.  You should try it, you'll like it I am sure.  I do like canson, tho , also. 

Ida M. Glazier
1Painter42
Posts:156

04/06/2008 4:02 PM Alert 
I had bought a few different papers just recently and I'm presently trying them out one by one. The strathmore is too smooth for the pastels, I'll find another use for it. I've got some gouache, and acrylics and colored pencils, I'll experiment with those on it. I also make hand-made greeting cards using scrapbooking techniques, it'll be good for that also. Can't wait to see more of your paintings!

Justine
www.remingtoncreations.com
Crazywoman53
Posts:36

04/07/2008 10:43 AM Alert 
I love the bright colors in this. I have never tried black paper as I wasn't sure what to do with it. Are the blacks showing through the paper or is that black pastel? I like the way you framed it with the leaves.. it almost has a story book feel to it. Really nice.. can't wait to see more on the black paper too!
iglazier
Posts:82

04/07/2008 12:58 PM Alert 
  This was just to get me to try the black paper. I had never even considered it before, then read some great articles in the Pastel Journal's older copies and saw some great stuff.   So, in this first attempt, I wanted to see how the colors would look on black----This is a scene from the front yard where I live, so I went outside and drew the scene, getting the metal building sorta OK, and the elements I needed----but because its still early spring here(and nothing is growing) , I found a photo I had taken in o4, with a perfect O compostion I had been saving to try in w/c but never did.   I wanted to leave the black paper for all the shadows.  So that is what I tried, not knowing even how to go about juding values, etc.   Oh--one thing I did was to draw the scene with a red pastsel pencil, then I used red and orange pastel and blocked in all the framing green trees in those reds---then brushed it with Tupinoid.  When this dried,  I plunged in with the colors I needed to show a spring morning, looking thru the yard trees!    Its on art spectrum and you can use wet stuff on this. Does this give anyone ideas?  Thanks for all comments!

Ida M. Glazier
mikec@pols

Posts:791

04/08/2008 5:44 AM Alert 
Hi, Ida,
Looks good!
Yeah, black paper is interesting to say the least. I've just tried it myself afer a very close friend of mine bought me a couple of sheets to try. It is very intimidating to me! I usually pick a color of paper that has the value/tone of the piece that I'm going to paint, so black or white scares me! The colors do 'pop' on black paper tho....
Mike

"You either grow or regress...nothing stays the same...." (unknown)
"A man may fall several times in life, but he is not a failure until he says that he was pushed..."




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iglazier
Posts:82

04/08/2008 11:18 AM Alert 

Thats what I thought, it would be very intimadationg, all that dark color!  You see, I love watercolor, and the white paper!   And letting that white paper show thru in places!      So my first pastel attempt was on the  white wallis, and all that white so hard to cover where you wanted it to be I found it confusing, althought the colors would be so pure---still, lots to think about!   Going to anycolored ground after thinking like a watercolor painter was hard. So i did what I always do----Experiment!   I am not thinking everything I do is frameable, right?  I am just learning!  That made it easier to jump in and do something.  But with the black ground, well, thats so dark, and they say, there is no black in nature!   But we are so use to photos, and seeing the shadows in black---And some artists have learned as well to do this and make it look natural------so after reading the pastel journal and seeing that the negative spaces in the artwork would be left black, not painted on,  I had to try.  And its so interesting.....I encourage you, Mike, to give it some thought.  Mine is not great, not at all, but I tried and will again.   I know you can use this method on some pieces, too!   Heck, its just paper!---and your learning will grow!     Sorry, I can get carried away!

 


Ida M. Glazier
1Painter42
Posts:156

04/08/2008 11:53 AM Alert 
I thought the black paper was pretty fun, I'm going to try some more. I hope I see more from Ida too!
Don't be intimidated Mike. Come to the dark side Mike.

Justine
www.remingtoncreations.com
gene
Posts:1236

04/09/2008 8:14 AM Alert 
Ida..........I think this is a very lovely piece. I also like the Art Spectrum's paper, I guess because of the nice rough texture. I really don't like to use Canson. There is something about applying the pastel to it that gives me the same feeling as scraping a fingernail against a chalkboard. Oooooooh! Most of the pastel artists I know use that for practice because it's nice and inexpensive. I love Kitty Wallis, but because I tend to blend a lot, I don't use it as much. It's hard on that little finger. As for painting on black, you really got your colors to pop out nicely on this piece. I assume some of the darks in the leaves are mostly black paper showing through. I think you did a great job on this. I am working on some pieces, but haven't posted for a while. Somehow I have trouble getting them to come up on this page. Love looking at all the rest though.
LovetoPastel

Posts:86

04/13/2008 7:56 AM Alert 
I LOVE using black paper! In fact, I'd say about 90% of the time, It is my color of choice to work on. I love seeing how vibrant the colors are when applying them and call me silly, but I swear they stay that way throughout the whole painting process. I bet there are only 3-4 pieces on my website that were done on a color other than black. It was challenging the first time, but now, I love it.

Suzanne
LovetoPastel

Posts:86

04/13/2008 7:57 AM Alert 
PS... This looks Great Ida... Keep trying the black paper!

Suzanne
klippie

Posts:1880

04/19/2008 3:14 PM Alert 
Nice work,
I love using black paper actually its usually my first choice.

you did very well here.

Retha

If at first you dont succeed.........don't ever give up!
Jim

Posts:2268

04/19/2008 7:14 PM Alert 
Beautiful work! The colors are great.
Jim

www.paintingsbyjim.com

All the best,
Jim

www.paintingsbyjim.com
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