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Subject: a second try-on sanded paper!

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iglazier
Posts:82

01/12/2008 6:31 PM Alert 
Hello again- I have done this again, a little bigger, and on sanded paper, white, Wallis prof. grade and I began with watercolor first. I wanted to say also, the Nu-pastel p298, mixed with a dark red or blue or brown or even alone is as dark as black and can be used for black. Albert Handall uses this one.  In my 2 cat paintings, there is no black pastel, just combinations of dark colors.  I am guilty of loving all pastels!






Ida M. Glazier
mikec@pols

Posts:791

01/12/2008 7:58 PM Alert 
Ida, can I say that I liked the background in the first one better... I'm not sure about the curve of the tree following the cat's contour?
The rest of it is great! I really, really like the lighting on the cat and all of the colors. Your use of color in your work is fantastic!!!
Mike

"You either grow or regress...nothing stays the same...." (unknown)
"A man may fall several times in life, but he is not a failure until he says that he was pushed..."




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iglazier
Posts:82

01/12/2008 9:39 PM Alert 
Hello again, Mike!  I am so glad you like the color!  I think the sanded paper helps this to happen, maybe.  And I think "repetion with variety", can be a good thing to help unifiy the picture with harmony.  Anyhow, I'm not sure, but I am trying to learn to use the principle of design, and it may take me awhile to do it effectivly!  I am guilty of thinking to much.  But its to great to get your views about it.  Thanks! What sort of support to you like most?  I am at the experimenting stage and want to try them all!

Ida M. Glazier
bluiiz
Posts:522

01/13/2008 1:59 PM Alert 
Ida, In this one I think you rendered the cat better even though the first was very good. The highlights on the cat are wonderful. However, I am still bothered by the unfinished look below the cat, especially all of the white space. Is it unfinished or was that your intention? It is very distracting to me, and takes away from the very well done cat... I hope you don't mind, I know sometimes I do things intentionally, and someone I show will say "I don't understand this or that" and it was exactly what I wanted to to do... so it really is up to you, but....

Anna
iglazier
Posts:82

01/13/2008 6:52 PM Alert 
    Anna,  I will try to answer you, and thanks for your nice comments-----I am just learning Pastels.  I have been doing watercolor, and love that.  I draw a lot, so Pastels might be fun, too.   The bottom of the cat pic, to me , is finished---I think I am lazy.   But we are looking up at him, to a drgree, as he is sitting in the sun on the top of a post..  This picture is not matted, but a map would solve this problem for you, it wouldn't look unfinnished.  I have never framed a pastel yet---  I think I have done less than 20 of them.  I have a habit of working big, even when I draw---Don't know why.  One day I will do one that should be framed, but it costs so much that I will wait for that day.  How are you doing with your work?   Let  us know!

Ida M. Glazier
LMB

Posts:445

01/13/2008 11:41 PM Alert 
Hi Ida,
I like this painting. The cat is the focus of the painting and my eye is drawn right to it. I'm sure that you've seen paintings where every object is rendered perfectly (photographs are a good example). They become boring to me. It's not the way the eye sees things. When you look at an object/focus directly on it then everything else your viewing losses detail. This painting conveys that feeling to my minds eye. I want to look at the cat and only focus my eye there. In this painting when you focus on the cats head with that intentness that you would if you were looking at a live cat sitting on a post the cat assumes a 3-D quality about it. I believe that everything in a painting should support the focus of the painting and you have done a good job of conveying that idea here.
Leon

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sandeep.khedkar
Posts:439

01/13/2008 11:43 PM Alert 
Hi Ida
Nice work. Liked the cat very much.
Sandeep
vikingwife

Posts:878

01/14/2008 10:54 AM Alert 
Beautiful work Ida! Those colors are brilliant

Jess
mikec@pols

Posts:791

01/15/2008 8:07 AM Alert 

Hi, Ida,

I just liked the other background better...I'm not suggesting anything is wrong with this one, just my opinion. (You obviously know what you're doing)

I like the Canson paper for pastels. I jsut like the way it handles layers and the choice of  'tooth' sides. I have used the sanded primers on boards and the Ampersand pastelbord and have found that these work well for more detailed work. I also like the primers because you can 'make' any color background that you want to, and you can use just about any board to paint on (scrap plywood is always laying around!.)

Mike


"You either grow or regress...nothing stays the same...." (unknown)
"A man may fall several times in life, but he is not a failure until he says that he was pushed..."




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gene
Posts:1236

01/15/2008 8:55 AM Alert 
I like this version the best, I think. You really did a good job with the light on the cat. About the unfinished look on the bottom, I think if you were trying for a vignette look, then it would have been better if you had left some space around all edges of the paper. As for matting and framing pastels, I would suggest you buy a Logan mat cutter and then cut your own. It's very easy to do, and it costs MUCH less than having a professional framer do it. Also, you might look in framing catalogs for frames either already cut to size or custom-sized. Also cheaper than a framer would do it. I cut my own mats and then buy fairly inexpensive metal frames that come in various sizes (you choose the sides and put them together yourself). Most paintings look nice in a simple gold frame, then when you sell the painting, your client can decide if he wants to have a more expensive frame put around it. Many people want to get a frame that would look nice in the room where it will hang. My paintings have been accepted into many juried shows with that simple framing, so I'm not worried about it. As long as the mat is done well with no rugged edges, or no specks of pastel showing on it, (and of course, always use acid-free matboard!), they look fine.
And with pastel, you will have to put a spacer between the glass and mat and the painting so the pastel cannot touch the glass. Most of the books on pastel painting will explain that if you don't know what I mean.
I think you should get this one behind a mat and into a frame. It's very nice...........Gene
iglazier
Posts:82

01/15/2008 4:57 PM Alert 
Hello Gene!  Thanks for you nice comments, really. I have a favorite place to take my art for framing, but I don't think I am ready to have any pastel's framed yet.  I hope to get better at this, and am striving for a certain goal in these paintings. I have only done a few, and hope to get better.   Have you done any snow paintings?  /thats what i am currently worring about!  Thanks again for your coments.  Ida

Ida M. Glazier
pastelmimigt

Posts:359

01/17/2008 10:18 PM Alert 
Hi Ida,

This is beautiful and I like it better than your first one. Don't you love the sanded paper? Finishing touches are there and everything looks more professional. The highlights and colors are gorgeous. The cat's torso looks better (I thought the first one was slightly distorted looking). The stump looks more natural. The brighter green leaves on the right keep the eyes moving through the painting. Comparing the two paintings, a few minor things I miss from the first one which are not on the second are a twinkle in the cat's eye and a sharper definition in the whiskers and hair in the ears. Finally, I think that the bottom looks unfinished and causes the eyes to stop. I think at least some of the leaves should extend to the bottom as it does look unfinished there and causes the eye to stop.

Michele

P.S. I disagree with your last comment - you are definitely ready for framing. Your work is excellent and you should enjoy it on your wall. And we all get better with time, so in the future you'll be able to look at it and say, wow that was good, but look at me today - I'm even better!

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gene
Posts:1236

01/18/2008 5:10 AM Alert 
Ida, Good luck on your snow painting. Yes, I have done a few but haven't posted either. On one, when I took the photo, the snow comes out looking way TOO pink. I did use pinks and purples in the snow and in the painting it looks nice, but in the photo it doesn't. Go figure! On the other I need to work the snow more and get more color into it. I have it looking too white. Snow is hard, as far as I'm concerned. Good luck on yours...............gene
iglazier
Posts:82

01/18/2008 10:28 PM Alert 
01/18/08----Hello all.   So many nice coments, and so unexpected!  A vinette can touche two or  three sides of your format----I didn't plan for this to be a vinette----I just quit--thats all.   If it were to be matted, that would , or could cover this area so the problem wounldn't be there for some of you, it don't bother me as I don't plan to frame it.  I did a pencil value drawing to begin with, background and all.  I love to draw. An art teacher friend of mine checked the drawing for errors and found none-no distortion, none. Thats what I used for the paintings. This cat lives here on this ranch, and is pretty cool.  Has a goatee, and a personality. Fun to paint.  I am tired tonight,   thanks all---

Ida M. Glazier
1Painter42
Posts:156

01/20/2008 8:34 PM Alert 
I really liked the first one and I really like the second one. I'll have to say I agree with mike on the background. I am just amazed at your choice of color with the orange and purples in the cat, very exciting. I've done some pet portraits, and I always use local color, because I'm worried how the recipient will respond to "unusual" color in their portrait. I've been telling myself I've got to try putting some color into my paintings. Nice job! Frame it.

Justine
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Mike Major

Posts:195

01/25/2008 11:45 AM Alert 
Ida-I have not seen the first painting that everyone is talking about, but I love this one. I really love your vibrant color. Mike

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