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Justin Dancing Hawk
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| 02/21/2007 3:18 PM |
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| Hi folks! I am BRAND NEW @ this! In fact, this is my first posting EVER! My problem is- I am trying to mount a large sheet (32"x48") of the beloved Wallis paper to a masonite panel. I have made 2 attempts thus far, (Yes,it's getting VERY expensive!http://forum.artistsnetwork.com/DesktopModules/NTForums/images/emoticons/sad.gif) and I am using an Archival PVA glue from Lineco (also expensive), and it ripples & bubbles and sets b4 I can work out the problems!http://forum.artistsnetwork.com/DesktopModules/NTForums/images/emoticons/ermm.gifhttp://forum.artistsnetwork.com/DesktopModules/NTForums/images/emoticons/mad.gif I am using a small roller to apply the glue. I've tried a smaller panel/wet the paper-both sides, then applied the glue to both surfaces and it seems to have worked. Does anyone out there have any experience with this??!! It's got me quite nuts! I dearly LOVE the paper-but I need a solid surface! I do an acrylic wash underpainting/background! Thanx!! I'll be holding my breath!(&counting to 10! Ha).http://forum.artistsnetwork.com/DesktopModules/NTForums/images/emoticons/sick.gif |
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heatherm
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| 02/21/2007 6:18 PM |
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| If no one here can help you - try asking the experts on their forum at the bottom of the page. I use Wallis paper but do not use a wet underpainting so can't help you there. From what I understand Wallis can take the wet without buckling but that is just what I heard, not from my personal experience. Good luck with your project. |
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Diane
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| 02/23/2007 11:13 AM |
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Until you find the answer for your dilema, can you you not just tape the sides of your paper down to the masonite board, much like you would for watercolor paper if you were going to do a watercolor?
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Diane
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| 02/23/2007 11:14 AM |
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P.S. I think I would experiment with small sheets until I got it right, so as not to waste so much expensive paper. 
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edm548
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| 03/10/2007 8:24 PM |
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Try this. I would do it on a small piece to start. If you can work quickly you can gesso the panel and mount the paper to it. Put a piece of plywood completely covering the top of it, then weighting it down.
Another option may be to drymount the paper. I have never done anything that big but I have had great success with this. I also work very wet with the underpainting.
Third, tape or pin it down. Wet the entire suface and do your thing. The trick here is to let it dry naturally. Make sure the board in vertical!
Let us know if any of these work for you. |
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gene
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| 03/11/2007 1:44 PM |
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| Hi........I am just curious about why you want the Wallis paper mounted? I use Wallis paper sometimes, but I just set it up on my easel with a piece of foamboard behind it to provide a firm, but not rigid surface. I want a bit of "give" before I begin applying my paint. Then, when I frame the piece, I tape it to a piece of acid-free foam board with t-hinges on the back upper-side of the painting. Then when I turn it right side showing on the the foam core, I usually lightly tape a piece of framer's tape at a diagonal on the top two corners. I usually let the bottom corners hang freely without tape.Then I place it behind the mat, which has had "spacers" applied on the inside cut of the mat (wrong side of the mat). That will allow the piece to hang away from the glass, and will allow any little specks of pastel to drop down and not get on the outside of the mat. Anyone I know who glues the paper down to a board has it done at a professional drymounter's firm. I think it does cost a bit, but I don't feel the need for that at this point. I don't usually work with a watercolor base, or anything else wet, so maybe I would think differently if I did. Good luck with this................Gene |
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Justin Dancing Hawk
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| 03/11/2007 4:10 PM |
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| Hi! I thank everyone for their replies! However, I have yet to see a reply that actually addresses the issue! I mount the paper because I am working with a WET underpainting! Wet into wet. In spite of what anyone may have heard, I have NEVER found a paper that doesn't buckle when wet,and this is no exception! Perhaps I have found my own answer. I will share with you what I have done since my last post! By wetting the Wallis paper (BOTH sides, before gluing it,it seems to lay down better as I am working out the gluing process. I've applied glue to BOTH surfaces to be joined(Back of Wallis to front of maosnite/hardboard). Then,I have a sponge rubber roller that I smooth ou the surface with. I tried the WEIGHTING GAME- that was the disaster that lead to my first postiing!Rather, I roll the surface smooth and flat and then use my BLOW DRYER to dry it before it has a chance to lift,etc. This way, I can monitor the process & roll out any problems before they are perminent. I have now done 2 paintings this way and it seems to be working. I will try to post my images so you all can see what I'm up to! I am very excited about these works. They represent a whole new level in my work. I feel these are my best pieces to date! I love the Wallis paper and recommend it highly. Any of you who are not familiar with the wet under painting process should check out Albert Handell's DVDs! He is AMAZING! Greg Biolchini,and Bob Rohm also work this way and are also very wonderful! All of their DVDs are very worth their money!! Let's see if you can view these. Please keep in mind that I took these photos with my LAPTOP so they may not be the greatest, PLUS they are reversed!! The Cowboy still needs a title The man's name is "Boots"-that's all he'd tell me!(18"w x 36"h), the Geese("CLOSE ENCOUNTER-Canadian Geese; 39"w x 19"h) are a work in progress and the Turkey is done on regular CANSON paper (17.5"w x 19"h)
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Diane
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| 03/14/2007 8:16 AM |
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| Justin--doesn't look like your pictures made it. I hope you try again because I'd love to see them. |
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sboyko
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| 03/30/2007 10:04 AM |
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I've worked with Wallis paper for years. You cannot mount it yourself, it has to be drymounted, and only a professional framer will have the proper equipment to drymount it. I used to have the framer do that for me, but now I just order it already mounted from Dakota Art Pastels at www.dakotapastels.com. Wallis paper will warp on you every time if you wet it and it's not already mounted, which is why you can't put glue on it and mount it as you would canvas to board.
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Justin Dancing Hawk
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| 03/30/2007 11:53 PM |
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| Geeeeeeeez - sboyko! Can I be your framer? Somebody's sure got YOU "buffaloed"!!! I tell everyone how I just D I D successfully do it, and then you come on and say it CAN'T be done!!???? Give me a BREAK!! That painting is now completed and it's one of the best I've ever done!! The ONLY problem I can see is a very slight bowing which is VERY EASILY overcome by either attaching a supporting frame to the back, or simply painting the back of the panel with gesso! The painting - incidentally, is a fairly LARGE 18"w x 36" h! It's titled :"Trails Untold" , and I 've also written a poem that goes with it! I also have finished the geese painting :"Close Encounter - Canadian Geese" - again, on Wallis paper and mounted on a "IT CAN'T BE DONE" 24 1/2"h x 45" w / 19"h x 39" w image size , panel! Hey! Have you got anything ELSE you want to tell me "CAN'T BE DONE" ? This is working into quite a wonderful success for me! Tell me it CAN"T be done!,...I'll find a way JUST to PROVE it CAN! What the heck kind of Artist sits back on their laurels and accepts "It can't be done!"? MY G O D ! Where's your creativity? (Obviously,in someone ELSE'S bank account!!). I'll see if I can figure out how to post the photos! How do you post photos here, anyway? By the way - if anyone wants to scold me for being rude or something, FYI - it really gets my dander up when this sort of thing happens! So, save it! |
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Diane
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| 04/01/2007 8:19 AM |
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| Justin, I sent you an e-mail explaining how to post your picture. |
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lwurster
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| 04/02/2007 12:04 PM |
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As one of the forum administrators, I encourage people to express their opinions. But kindly refrain from insulting others. Offensiveness is not tolerated.
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