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NaomiBlvs
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| 03/03/2008 11:20 AM |
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Hi Baja:
To answer your question, Carver answered this in his last post. What I have shown here on this forum have been paintings using photographs as reference only, not enhanced photographs
So he is using the photo as a reference only and not painting over the photo. |
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Wishing you peace and prosperity,
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baja318
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| 03/03/2008 11:34 AM |
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Ok, well I guess what he's shown on here has not been enhanced photos but I think I was confused because of these two statements he made:
i]"I did a painting of some flowers in painter, just sent it to the lab to be printed, and plan to paint on the picture using oils when it comes back"[
in fact, I am trying a new technique with it... by using painter and adding oils to it on canvas... |
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billmahler
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| 03/03/2008 12:31 PM |
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If Carver said that they're from references, than I accept that.
I orginally thought they were made by Painter because The Bridal Portrait, which Carver posted here in 11/2007, also appeared in his gallery on the Painter Magazine Web Site:
http://www.paintermagazine.co.uk/show_profile.php?username=Carver%20Shivers
However, he has cleared that up.
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..send ye not therefore to know for whom the bell tolls- it tolls for thee. John Donne
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mikec@pols
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| 03/03/2008 3:33 PM |
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Although I think these are beautiful works in their own right, I totally support baja318's opinion on this!
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"You either grow or regress...nothing stays the same...." (unknown)
"A man may fall several times in life, but he is not a failure until he says that he was pushed..."
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357Lady
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| 03/04/2008 12:09 AM |
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I am still confused, Carver. Despite the "reference" entry. Are you taking photos, digitally manipulating
them & then projecting them onto canvas. Thus drawing & painting on the canvas from the projected
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357Lady
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| 03/04/2008 12:12 AM |
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Sorry, did a double post.
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River
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| 03/04/2008 6:57 PM |
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...On Carver's last post he ended with...
"So to answer your question... What I have shown here on this forum have been paintings using photographs as reference only, not enhanced photographs. Thank you all..."
I think he's too polite to keep answering you all...and hopefully...too busy painting!
..maybe they should put the Ten Commandments back up from all the places they are taking them down...'falsely accusing' is one of the "Big Ten" as my friend likes to say!!
I hope you'll keep showing us you're beautiful work Carver!!
I've already written to Carver and thanked him for posting his beautiful paintings...so that my kids who are artists can see what hard work and an eye for beauty can finally do...
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357Lady
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| 03/04/2008 10:13 PM |
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River, you're not reading everything that he has included in his posts & I have just as
much right to ask a question as anyone else. I didn't refer in my post that he was
doing enhanced photos. That was not what I was asking at all.
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Frank
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| 03/05/2008 12:26 PM |
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Hi all
The following paragraph is from www.corel.com (the company who make Corel Painter)
===== begin paragraph ===
Enhanced Photo-Painting System: It's now easier than ever for photographers to create stunning paintings from photographs! Major improvements offer greater control when Underpainting, and the new Smart Strokes technology adds more intelligence during Auto-painting. See it in action.
The Underpainting palette includes color schemes based on various artistic styles, such as Impressionist, Classical, Modern, Watercolor, Sketchbook, and Chalk Drawing. You can also match your Underpainting's palette to that of any open image
The Auto-Painting Palette transforms a photograph into a painting by automatically applying brushstrokes while intelligently changing stroke size and direction using new Smart StrokeTM technology.
=== End of paragraph ===
I will have no question regarding Carver Shivers oil paintings (as he refer to them as such) only he can clear everything up. However I would say this: project and image on canvas or using grids to sketch before painting is acceptable. But if a color image is printed on canvas then glazing and oil being applied onto it to make it look like an oil painting is going to far. But, time changes, who am I to say what is acceptable or not acceptable? however if I am a buyer an oil painting I would certainly want to know if the painting is done 100% traditionally or if it has a printed image underneath all that oil.
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Kim
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| 03/05/2008 1:44 PM |
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Okay, I'm still confused, too, so I went back to the beginning. I truly want to understand this process.
One of the first comments states that this particular painting (Woman at the Window) looks like Corel Painter. Carver responds with "Yes, I'm learning..." Is it 'yes' this is done with Corel Painter? Or 'yes' he is learning the process? And yet it sounds like his first Corel Painter experience is going to be some flowers that we haven't seen yet.
So, my question still needs clarification - how does one utilize photographs for reference when doing/using Corel Painter? If he is only using the photos for reference (as stated above), do you gather that he is printing out enhanced photographs from Corel Painter and imitating that reference by painting directly onto the canvas (from scratch, if you will; ie, first generation) as opposed to painting directly on top of a digitally printed canvas (ie second generation)? Maybe part of my confusion is that if he's not painting on top of a printed canvas, how is this program helping him? In my opinion, his skill and talent is far better than any program could create.
Carver, I know you're probably tire of this, but do you mind clarifying once again?
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Carver Shivers
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| 03/05/2008 5:38 PM |
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Hi again. sorry for being away, had some health issues... now let me see if I can clarify this as best I can.
The paintings that I have shown on this forum have all been done traditionally, except I project my photograph onto a blank canvas and start from there. Drawing and then adding oils... I am extremely slow in my painting, usually taking 3 to 6 months to complete a portrait ... I get the impression that people do not want to wait long for anything... they expect it to be done in 2- 3-weeks!
Now. . . In the corel painter program, you manipulate the photo as you would in photoshop, try to make it look like a painting, then print the image onto board or canvas; then the idea is to add oils ON TOP of the printed image. I look at this as a Giclee' with enhancements... I hope this clears any confusion. Now one of the reasons I am interested in this program is the speed of it... Now I am only guessing at this... but after going to a few seminars where this is being taught, I see a potential. My only issue with those who are trying this is that what they are doing is not so much as creating a painterly image as much as a more illustrative style. If you look at the corel painter magazine, they are trying to imitate some of the syles of the masters, such as Klimt, etc... I think it is very interesting to see this new technology come into play... In a way, it could be a threat to traditional painters... Just as digital has now threatened the professional photography industry.
I have always felt that it is important to keep your head on a swivel and see what is aimed at you...
Some may not like this, but that is okay with me...
I hope this has cleared up any confusion. thanks again... |
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baja318
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| 03/05/2008 8:17 PM |
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| If EVERYTHING you've shown on here has been traditionally created, then it seems that your problem is you must not charge enough for your work. So, basically you're turning towards quantity instead of quality to make a buck. |
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Carver Shivers
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| 03/05/2008 8:49 PM |
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Hi Baja, with respect to pricing, you are correct. I do not think I am charging enough, but I guess that is from not finding clients willing to pay what I would REALLY like to charge... $1million for a small portrait. Once I do, then I will charge $2million for the next one... Until then, I will just have to sell my work at more reasonable fees. I do not have the name recognition of many of you, plus it is not easy finding clients everyday to pay my actual fees. Thus I do some for free to use as marketing, and that has helped.
for my still lifes and such, quantity is nice. I do not see a problem selling thousands of the same image as posters, cards, etc. I am just looking at expanding my business. I can not depend on one person at a time... thanks again... |
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Carver
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baja318
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| 03/05/2008 8:59 PM |
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I know what it's like not to have name recognition..I'm working on that. I don't see a problem with selling thousands of the same image either, I sell reproductions of my originals too. The only thing I was objecting to was the idea of selling a "painting" that really isn't a painting, because to me a painting is done in a traditional sense (getting your hands dirty), not applying mediums and things to digital printouts and calling it a painting. I think we all need to do whatever we need to in order to make money as artists, as long as it stays legitimate. Call a painting a painting and digital work what it is, and then we're all good. Good luck with your work!
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357Lady
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| 03/05/2008 11:27 PM |
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Thanks Carver. That is what I thought you were doing from what you had said and I just wanted to make
sure. Your work is beautiful & I have always thought so.
Thanks for being patient with all of us.
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River
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| 03/06/2008 7:44 PM |
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Carver...I think you should charge whatever you can get...and do them for those who can pay. Your that good.
There is an artist whose paintings I've seen...who gets 75,000.00 for a large size painting...and they can't keep them on the wall...so they make an agreement with the buyers to keep them up in the gallery for a few months before they take them!
Portraiture is of course personal and most frequently done for clients. How to market yourself?? I guess by letting those kinds of clients know about you.
Historical portraiture I think is nice too...(in fact it's kind of what I like)...as long as it has that timeless quality. Would probably do well in competitions. Look at what Duende/Pablo is doing in water colors...beautiful!
Will let you know if I hear of anything for you here on the east coast.
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Kim
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| 03/10/2008 1:09 PM |
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Carver, thank you so much for your clarification. I understand your desire and situation. I think we all evaluate our situation at one time or another (some of us more than once!) and make a decision as to what is best for us and our family, as we can't work for free. I know you will do well with this new technique.
But I have to say, your traditional painting are absolutely stunning, revealing, skillful and captivating. I hope you don't quite exchange them entirely. If I ever hear of anyone wanting a portrait, I will definitely refer them to you.
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Carver Shivers
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| 04/16/2008 9:43 PM |
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| Thanks Kim... I just saw this post. So sorry for being so late with this... |
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Carver
www.shiversgallery.com |
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jAlida
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| 09/30/2008 2:55 PM |
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I have only recently learned of this type of painting. My thought is that one who does this exclusively is not a true artist, but obviously IS a painter. To me, an artist is able to creatively express himself on a subject from imagination, model, or memory. There is an artistic creativity involved as part of the production process. I would tend to think of a piece produced by computer or projector, then painted over as an enhanced product, as a technical work. Just my thoughts. Have we been stirring around in a can of worms?
No matter what it is called, beautiful paintings are still the end result. Thanks for sharing them with us. |
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Priti
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| 10/01/2008 2:20 PM |
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| Carver, your work is still amazing even though i would call it cheating. Thanks for taking the time to explain it, it really opened my eyes for the first time to this possibility. |
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Priti
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