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seyah
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| 05/18/2007 8:18 PM |
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| I've been wanting to start oil painting for a while. I just won the James Hopfensperger award at school in my 8th grade art class . I put a prtfolio together and it got judged. I got $50 for 2nd place. I thought I'd use some of it for getting started. I've been looking at getting the bob ross basic kit to see if I like it or not. It seems like a good way to learn at a good price but I would like to hear what others think is the best way (besides private classes). Thanks for all help received. |
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heatherm
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| 05/18/2007 11:31 PM |
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Seyah,
Wow! Congratulations on your award! Way to go! I don't know what is in the Bob Ross kit, but others here do, so they can advise you on that.
You can also buy small tubes of artists' oil color to start, Windsor Newton and/or Grumbacher are the brands I use. The colors are quite true. You don't need many to start, primary colors (Cadmium red, cadmium yellow light, cobalt blue), white and paynes grey. You can add raw sienna, burnt umber, yellow ochre as money permits. That would be a complete basic palette. Artist turpentine to clean brushes and thin paint.
Bob Ross uses different colors, so if you go with his kit stay with it until you are comfortable. With summer coming, if you have cable TV, "One Stroke Painting" as well as Bob Ross in "Joy of Painting" on PBS/WBGHC cable channels would get you in the groove on how to use the different brushes, and they have tips on color and texture also. If you find the programs, record them if you can so you can watch first before trying and rewind if you need to.
Good luck, and post your work here as you do it. I would love to see it and I am sure others would also. |
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seyah
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| 05/19/2007 6:01 AM |
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| I love to watch Bob Ross paint but he's only on on friday afternoon here when I'm in school. But like you said school is almost done so I will try to catch it as often as I can. |
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seyah
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| 05/19/2007 6:30 AM |
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| Every time I try to post pictures I can't. They are j pegs but it always says improper format or exceeds 1000 kb. I'm pretty sure they aren't too big of files. |
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gene
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| 05/19/2007 8:57 AM |
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| Congratulations, Seyah! We'll be looking forward to seeing some of your postings of your work........Gene |
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heatherm
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| 05/19/2007 8:26 PM |
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Seyah,
Try doing it with resolution at 72, pixels no larger than 400 and photo no larger than approx 2"x4" to start. Sometimes we can load larger, but not always. Good luck would love to see your work. |
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Heather
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heatherm
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| 05/19/2007 8:27 PM |
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| Forgot to say in naming photo no spaces e.g. CatsEye.jpg, NOT Cats Eye.jpg. |
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Heather
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Materese
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| 05/20/2007 6:07 AM |
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Hi Seyah, congratulations on your award! That is simply wonderful.
I'd like to make some recommendations regarding getting started. Some folks may disagree with me, but stay away from any of the "kits", and especially ones like the Bob Ross. This may seem to be sacrilidge to some, but if you really want to learn how to paint, and want to be taken seriously . . . . he's OK is you want this as a hobby but if you plan to go to school for art . . .
For $50, you can get a lot of supplies and they are usually less expensive if you order them from a large supplier, on line like Dick Blick, Cheap Joes Art Stuff, etc. Windsor and Newton is a good brand of oil paints for beginners, they are not expensive and the quality is consistent. As you progress, you can get better paints like Utrecht or Old Holland. Heather is correct to start with a basic palette, but (all due respect Heather), the cadmiums can be frustrating for a beginner and it is difficult to get a full range of values and natural colours with so many cadmiums. I would recommend the following colours: Titanium White, Yellow Ochre, Cadmium Red light, Ultramarine Blue, Raw Umber and Ivory Black. You can later add Cad. Yellow Light, & an earth red such as Venetian Red or Transparent Red Iron Oxide and Burnt Umber. The addition of Alizarin Crimson is great, it's a very strong colour and when mixed with Ultramarine blue, makes incredibly beautiful purples. This is a standard "classical" palette and you can achive every natural colour under the sun. As the palette is limited, it will also help you tremendously with colour harmony.
To get natural looking greens, mix Yellow ochre with a bit of the Ivory Black. Black should be used very sparily, and never "straight out of the tube". Warm it up with a bit of Cad Red Light for rich, warm shadows, and thin it out with your medium. For beautiful cool shadows in your landscapes, try mixing Raw umber and Ultramarine blue - again, thin it out with your medium. always remember, "thin shadows, thick light. For "sky colours" you can mix Titanium white, a tiny bit of Ivory black and just a hair of your Ultramarine blue. Paynes Grey is Titanium White, mixed with Ultramarine blue and Ivory Black. You can also add just a wee bit of Yellow Ochre when the sky appears more distant and "fuzzy" due to the atmosphere and it will help add distance and depth near the horizon.
I normally recommend Liquin as a medium as it dries quickly (about 24 hours)has no odour and allows for great control with your paint. However is does dry to a dull finish, so if you leave a work overnight (and it is completely dry!) thinly "oil out" your painting before beginning again to bring back the correct values. Linseed Oil is also good, but it can get "sticky", takes a long time to dry and it can really smell. For turpentine, try one of the odourless brands. For brushes, go with a good bristle brush (I really like Robert Simmons, they are inexpensive and have a great "snap" to them). Try some filberts (sizes 2, 4 and 5) and some flats for landscape (go a bit bigger, 4, 6 and maybe an 8). A palette knife should be used rather sparily to add thick highlights and texture.
Of course, take good care of your palette and brushes. Season your wood palette with your medium (yes, you can season with Liquin, and only apply a thin coat) so that the oil from the paint does not soak in and discolour your wood. After you're finished, scrape off unused paint, wipe it clean with turpentine and reapply a thin coat of your medium. After a while (about 10 - 12 uses) your palette will feel almost like glass, and you will no longer need to reapply medium. Rinse your brushes in turpentine very well after using them (NEVER let them soak in turnpentine), wash them with soap and water, reshape them and allow them to dry.
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Materese
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Tuscansky
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| 05/20/2007 2:12 PM |
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Hi Seyah:
Congratulations! Great news and what a wonderful beginning to many years of exploring. I, too, agree with Materese. Stay away from ready-made kits and ready-made styles. It's fine to watch Ross and pick up some helpful hints, and then try them out--without directly side-by-side painting--to see what your materials are capable of. The more you use them and try different techniques, the more you will understand about the medium. But it is a quest that goes on for a lifetime--start developing your own voice and vision. But, to get started, look at great works, lesser great works, see what you respond to, what do you like, what grabs your interest, read about techinques, try different things. But at the end of the day shut off all the advice and sit down with your paints and brushes--focus on what is interesting to you. Happy hunting--ts |
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LMB
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| 05/20/2007 8:01 PM |
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Hi Seyah,
Congratulations on your award. The advice that Materese has given you on your art materials and how to handle them is excellent and the follow up advice from Tuscansky about being your own person with your own style is right on. I wish you all the best.
Leon
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one who sees
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| 05/28/2007 8:09 AM |
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congratulations on the award!....excellent!..
i have to agree about the kits...sometimes they just give ya ~fluff~ and not what you truly need...
right now dick blick has a few small sets that would be worth it....loew-Cornell...has a set called art sets for dummies....drawing or oil or acrylics your choice...paints and brushes plus palette knife in nice box..also includes linseed oil and cup...at 24.95
another is rembrandt 400th anniversary oil box set...a bit more at 34.98
but again you get paints, brushes but thats it in a box..
{there is a link on my website if it would be easier to take a peek at the dick blick specials}
thoughhhhhhhhhh many start, and many got inspired by Bob Ross, his style is just a jump start, into what oils will actually do for you...soooo dont think you can create a painting in twenty two mins...or even twenty two hours sometimes....when you begin to learn how to paint...the biggest thing i tell my students? is to SLOW Down....its not a race.....parts of the painting should be done when the previous layers are dry.....when your not sure about the next step, if you got it wrong? and everything was dry underneath...ya just have to wipe out the new work...but not lose the old work below.....cant do that with Bob Ross technique...
so understand that oil painting isnt instant painting....actually no painting, but there are exceptions of course, are normally done in the amt of time that Ross showed it executed....
another lil thing.....many times i will begin a paining by creating a very loose washing mix of lil paint and plenty of turp....i mix it very turpy....with a fav brush i ~sketch~ with this mix....getting all my elements of the painting set, corrections are easily done with a turpy brush...or turpy rag.....wiping the thin paint right off the canvas.....taking that step further you can make a tonal study quickly too....same mix....just a bit more time...
this mix i usually make a mid tone grey....depending on the image..i might make it a cool or warm grey....but essentially this part of the painting is tons of fun...no stress!!!! |
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klippie
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| 05/29/2007 3:03 AM |
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Materese, and One who sees have given you a lot of information,
I think absorb that first and post and the you can get more answers,
congratulations on your second place.
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vikingwife
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| 05/29/2007 7:30 AM |
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Congrats on your award Seyah! Good choice reinvesting that prize money into your artistic future! Look forward to seeing your first piece.
Jess |
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