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Subject: Painting in progress - would glazing help?

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Kim

Posts:492

05/17/2007 1:49 PM Alert 

Hi, everyone.  The term glazing keeps coming up and I, too have questions. 

Here's a painting I recently started - I'm working from the background forward.  I'm getting the basic colors, shapes, etc down, but I will be going back and adding to it, but my main question presently is if I can get beyond the "flatness" of the buildings by glazing.  I'm curious...will glazing several layers accomplish that while adding a softness (which I think would be nice with the foliage)?  (Does glazing add depth or does it enhance the color(s) or both?   Or is this a painting that would not benefit from glazing?    When I get to the lake in the foreground, I will experiment with the Liquin because that makes sense.  But for the rest, I'm still clueless.  Is it best to paint lighter and add glazes to darken or paint darker and add lighter glazes?  Maybe another way to ask it, is how does one "plan" glazing into the process?  Any suggestions and comments would be appreciated.  Thank you in advance. 







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Materese
Posts:123

05/17/2007 9:28 PM Alert 
Hi Kim:

This is coming along very nicely.

Glazing will not solve a flatness issue, values will. Glazing is the "decoration" on a painting, if the structure is not sound, the decorations mean nothing. to give the buildings more depth and form, make sure that you are getting the values correct. The stronger the value contrast, the more they will come forward - the church in the back has high value contrast, so it has solid form, the buildings in the front don't and appear "flimsy". From this photo, you appear to have plenty of softness in the foliage already, too much and it will loose all of it's form. I would suggest kicking down the line of fir trees in the back - gently bring in the colour of the sky (atmosphere), to "soften" them and make them appear distant.

Glazing can do a lot of things, but if overused, or used incorrectly, it can kill a picture - it will look overworked and loose its freshness.

Also, be careful about mixing your mediums. Liquin is fabulos stuff, but you can run into problems if you use it on the same canvass that you've used another medium (like linseed oil). Try to stay with one meduim throughout the painting unless you know how they will chemically react to each other.

Glazing should not be used to lighen an area significantly. those light values should come from your orginal brushwork! I normally use "glazing" to; enhance texture, create complex layers of colour of the same or very similar value or pull up the light (slightly!) in an area of a painting. Never glaze to darken because your shadows should always thin and atmospheric, never thick.

Materese
http://www.ghostwoodstudio.com

Kim

Posts:492

05/18/2007 1:37 PM Alert 
Thank you very much for this very timely and helpful information, Materese. You've cleared up my confusion and now I feel more confident in proceeding without doing damage due to the lack of knowledge. I did not know that about mixing mediums, either, and I'm glad that I have not used any linseed yet. I appreciate your taking the time to explain, offer suggestions (ex. softening the tall trees in the back) and support. I will look forward to posting it in about a couple of weeks.

(To everyone viewing, I apologize for the small print in the original message - I didn't know it would be so microscopic!) ~Kim

"Every child is an artist. The problem is how to remain an artist once he grows up." ~ Picasso
heatherm

Posts:2120

05/18/2007 4:02 PM Alert 
What Materese said - I agree with her and that is how I use the liquin glazes also. The painting has to be there first, liquin does not correct mistakes, adds depth to what is already there. Would like to see this when finished.

Heather

http://www.heatherartist.com
one who sees

Posts:508

05/28/2007 9:16 AM Alert 

along with the other comments i would like to say that the work going into this is nicely done, the tree work is varied nicely,variety of greens/yellows it feels like a lush country side...very nice...
the one thing that i do pick up on....is the values in the distance are the same as the values closer to the viewer...meaning that far tree line? should be slight less distinct, a bit of bluish grey in your color mixes for that area...will push your depth in the painting, also? the horizon area in the sky? should be paler...pushing that into the depths too....with all the other creative suggestions this should flesh out the painting very nicely!!!

about glazing, if you glaze with the cool greyish mix over the distant areas, it will also help the depth, the trick to this is the amt of paint you use for the hazy atmospheric effect..glazing is a fine art unto itself, one can gain incredible effects with the smallest of changes and patterns...

you can also do this to the sky area too..both near/more intense color, and in the distance..less vibrant/less contrasts in values


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Kim

Posts:492

05/29/2007 1:07 PM Alert 
Thank you Heather and One Who Sees. I have been working diligently on this painting for it has to be complete by tomorrow evening in order for me to have time to photograph it and submit electronically for a show. I have been experimenting with glazing and I think (I hope!) this process is enhancing the painting. I will do an overall look again tonight to make sure that I have incorportated your suggestions correctly. I had already noticed the horizon line where it needed to be lighter and I corrected the very distant tall trees. However, I'm not too sure that I have the other "background" trees as light as they maybe ought to be. It's really coming along nicely and I can't wait for you to see it to let me know if I succeeded with the glazing (or at least to let me know it was a good attempt for the first time.) :o)

"Every child is an artist. The problem is how to remain an artist once he grows up." ~ Picasso
one who sees

Posts:508

05/30/2007 7:50 AM Alert 
hey! ya did show an update!!!...~grin~.....
glazing is a fabulous thing.....for me its the transtion that i was looking for to bring my art to a higher finished level...hope it works for you toooooo!!!

~I am always doing what I cannot do yet, in order to learn how to do it~
Vincent Van Gogh

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